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PostSubject: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 1:54 am

Not done yet, rain killed the project for today, but I did find something weird...

Replacement harness:
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Leftover wiring (apparently this means it's from a wagon according to Justin, what would this stuff be for?)
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Behind driver's headlight, Left hand side is the cornering lamp connector, right hand is the larger headlamp harness connector (C101), they're tied together though.
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Ok...now what the hell is this thing??? Laughing

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It's part of the headlamp harness, just haven't been able to figure it out yet, I have the '93 Caprice FSM here and I can't figure it out in there either. All I know right now is it comes in through the C101 main front headlamp harness connector, it's the yellow wire. I'm looking through schematics trying to find out where it goes...

The cornering lamp harness also has it (plug's gone)...
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Maybe the same harness worked on some cars that had an automatic headlight dimmer and the sensor was there?
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 10:48 am

No clue what that connector is. My 91 OCC didn't have anything wired in for the corners, had to run wires to the column to get them working. You lucky they left you that connector taped off on the driver's side.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 1:08 pm

Yeah, I remember hearing someone else say that too- perhaps it was a running change along the TBI-car production? This car was one of the last TBI cars made according to the build date, it was assembled in mid-1993 at Willow Run.

That connector is driving me insane, I sat for an hour reading my manual last night trying to find it with no results. Maybe it's something non-headlamp related that they just bundled in with the harness because the component was up there?

Hoping to get everything in today, doesn't seem to be too hard to plug the harness in but my Caprice's wire loom is smaller in diameter than the harness that's going in, so I might need to swap those black plastic clip things that hold it in.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 4:41 pm

Perhaps it was from a 9C1 that was pre-wired for siren or lights.?
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 5:31 pm

I thought about that too- but my Caprice has the plug and it's not a 9c1. LOL

Maybe since it was the end of production for the TBI cars, they were throwing 9c1/SEO harnesses into all of the civi cars in anticipation of a change to a diff. wiring harness, and they wanted to use them all up???
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 6:31 pm

Matt I believe I pulled that harness from a roadmaster wagon, it could be roadie specific or it could be wagon specific. I sold one to Justin too and it was bundled with other wires that had nothing to do with the harness that I chopped off. I will try and look In the yard this week for the car I yanked it from to see f I can find it,
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 8:50 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
I thought about that too- but my Caprice has the plug and it's not a 9c1. LOL

Maybe since it was the end of production for the TBI cars, they were throwing 9c1/SEO harnesses into all of the civi cars in anticipation of a change to a diff. wiring harness, and they wanted to use them all up???

Maybe? but why would a 9C1 have cornering lamps? Maybe an export option. Don't Euro cars have those weird fog lamps? Or are those rear only?

I'll have to check my car it's a 3/17/93 build. I'll check my bro's too, his is march or april 93.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 10:39 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
Maybe the same harness worked on some cars that had an automatic headlight dimmer and the sensor was there?

No, that's supposed to be in the defroster grille on the top of the dash.

This is probably completely useless information, but yellow/black (and blue) on my LT1 RMW harness go to the side marker lights.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 12:42 am

Yeah Indy, let me know what it came from! I saved that extra wire in case I ever need it for something. The wire loom on this harness was way thicker than the original one, so the locking clips were too small, wanh wah.
Did Caprices come with a headlight dimmer as part of the twilight sentinel, or just automatic headlights for when it got dark out?

Either way, I got the harness in. Kind of a pain, but not that bad. It's not done, I have to fiddle with it tomorrow to tidy up the wiring where it runs across in front/above the AC condenser, there is a wire from this harness that tapes out behind the D/S headlight and runs to the ABS motor (?) that was cut so I need to crimp it, and the pass. side turn signals don't work and that cornering lamp doesn't go on. I'm hoping that it's just a bad bulb for the blinker on that side, I'm assuming that the blinker bulb needs to be flashing over there for the circuit further down the line to the cornering lamp itself to be completed? The little tiny marker light bulb is out too, that one in the cornering lamp. I'm pretty sure I smacked some of the bulbs off stuff trying to snake the harness.
Also have to replace a missing tab for the pass. side lens, or make one out of a piece of metal, for some reason I don't want to break one off of the dummy lenses that came on the car... Smile

Other than that, s'in good shape kehdz. I didn't think I'd get the harness across and buttoned together tonight because I had to run to NH quick, and that stuff is tricky getting across the core support. The locking tabs up underneath aren't really visible (I had a shitty vanity bathroom mirror and that helped a little), you have to feel around and try to get a screwdriver in without breaking them...

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^I had the new harness plugged in partially at the driver's side fender and the old one removed halfway across at the same time, lol

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Looks a little spaghetti-like to me, so I was afraid I organized it all screwy, but I think it's just supposed to be like that in there.

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^Severed black wire that goes down to some kind of thing for the ABS system? You can see the end of it past my hand there...

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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 10:23 am

Nice Job. You may wanna put a meter on that mystery connector and see what you have to do to get 12v on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 3:05 pm

Thanks mang! I realize this is a pretty minor mod, but the lack of cornering lamps on these cars REALLY bothers me even if it's not a super noticeable feature to the driver...this was a big deal for me.

It all works great now, I think it does anyway. I replaced 2 bulbs with ones from the old harness and it works fine. Crimped that wire to the ABS or whatever back together...I may add some zip ties to the harness going across behind the grille but it's fine for now. Just have to "plastic weld" a metal tab on the back of the RH cornering lens to hold it tight on one end.

I think I'll trace that wire back past the headlamp harness connector and see where it goes, I'm assuming it stays the same color.

I'm in the mood for more mods now! But next, I have to put my new antenna in, hope to get to that either tomorrow or Sunday. Then a few other things to post. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 3:16 pm

It's good to see you finally doing things to this car! Arrow
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 3:48 pm

1984twodoor wrote:
It's good to see you finally doing things to this car! Arrow

X2.


That said, I want to know more about the Chrysler you're using as a workbench. Is that a New Yorker?
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:03 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
1984twodoor wrote:
It's good to see you finally doing things to this car! Arrow

X2.


That said, I want to know more about the Chrysler you're using as a workbench. Is that a New Yorker?

It's our Trailer Park Boys-themed beer-drinking shed/workbench/thing to lean random items against!

It's a '73 Newport Custom. If I start posting 4,569 random videos to Youtube of randomness, the first one will be a cold start of that car. I just got it running again after my dad left it going in the yard for 4 hours a few months ago for no apparent reason while he painted the house up on a ladder...and ran it out of gas. It has a stuck lifter that my dad thought was a knock or oil problem, I think some Marvel Mystery Oil or ATF will clear it up, it doesn't always do it but happened before when my dad took it off the road, then did the other day when I fired it up on some ether and it did it's impression of a "runaway diesel"... Laughing

PS, if someone sees one in a junkyard, we need the letter "C" from the header panel, the rest are in the glovebox. LOL Actually, just let me know if you see one! I kind of want to buy this car from my dad and put it on the road or something, he is doing NOTHING with it and it pisses me off almost as much as a Caprice with no cornering lamps.


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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:07 pm

That car makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I love the Newport and the 76-78 New Yorker. I've been thinking about one (esp the NY'er) for the next project. I blame Radiohead. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:14 pm

Yea, I want one too. I like all the 70s full size Mopars bascially.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:16 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
Yea, I want one too. I like all the 70s full size Mopars bascially.

There is a '75 T&C wagon on Ebay that I would do unspeakable things to own.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rare-and-beautiful-just-72000-miles-1975-Chrysler-Town-Country-9-pass-/130734074946?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e705bac42


That said, thank you for tuning in to this edition of Cadet jacks a thread. We now take you back to Matt Trakker finally mods his '93.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:38 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
That car makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I love the Newport and the 76-78 New Yorker. I've been thinking about one (esp the NY'er) for the next project. I blame Radiohead. Laughing

If you want to start small, there's a '79 New Yorker for sale on the Cape. 46k miles, $1500 or a package deal with an '86 Corvette and a modded S-10.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:47 pm

mp775 wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
That car makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I love the Newport and the 76-78 New Yorker. I've been thinking about one (esp the NY'er) for the next project. I blame Radiohead. Laughing

If you want to start small, there's a '79 New Yorker for sale on the Cape. 46k miles, $1500 or a package deal with an '86 Corvette and a modded S-10.

'79, BAH! Just a fancy St.Regis. Not even worth it! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:55 pm

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There is a '75 T&C wagon on Ebay that I would do unspeakable things to own.

Fred W. Smith in Wakefield, RI has a '75 Fury wagon with a 318, "now accepting reasonable offers." I looked at it a year or two ago, I think it was $6k at the time. It's about a 6 out of 10. Also a '76 Hemi Town & Country for only $25k.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 4:58 pm

mp775 wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
There is a '75 T&C wagon on Ebay that I would do unspeakable things to own.

Fred W. Smith in Wakefield, RI has a '75 Fury wagon with a 318, "now accepting reasonable offers." I looked at it a year or two ago, I think it was $6k at the time. It's about a 6 out of 10. Also a '76 Hemi Town & Country for only $25k.

*Goes to Cumbies for powerball tickets*
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 6:10 pm

I want one of the Dodge Royal Monacos with the hideway headlamps. There was just one for like 900 bucks in Maine on CL, but I think it sold, seemed half decent, it was a blue 2 door. Or, of course, a 1974 Dodge Monaco sedan in black and white...
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I want one of the Dodge Royal Monacos with the hideway headlamps.

Here you go, but a little more than 900 bucks.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 9:08 pm

Oh god that is such an awesome looking car to me...ugh...it even has my name on the trunk... Cool

WAY too much money though! You don't see many, but when you do, well I've seen decent ones for a couple grand!

I've always wondered if the Chevy big bolt pattern Rally wheels and the Mopar "Road Wheel" were made by the same supplier.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 9:32 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
mp775 wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
That car makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I love the Newport and the 76-78 New Yorker. I've been thinking about one (esp the NY'er) for the next project. I blame Radiohead. Laughing

If you want to start small, there's a '79 New Yorker for sale on the Cape. 46k miles, $1500 or a package deal with an '86 Corvette and a modded S-10.

'79, BAH! Just a fancy St.Regis. Not even worth it! Laughing

LOL, just saw this, that thing's a pretty good deal, even if it was from the "dark days of Mopar" (actually they're still kinda crappy...lol)

I'd drive that thing with that mileage, if it ran good. All those cars are is a rebodied mid-70s Monaco/Fury (the midsize sedans like the Dukes of Hazzard cop cars) with some more emissions crap and whatnot. Not too many made, they only had them around for a couple years before Chrysler restructured and put all their eggs in the K-car basket.
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyThu Jul 26, 2012 9:51 pm

Oh, and these are WAY brighter than I expected them to be!

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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptyFri Jul 27, 2012 12:22 am

mp775 wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
There is a '75 T&C wagon on Ebay that I would do unspeakable things to own.

Fred W. Smith in Wakefield, RI has a '75 Fury wagon with a 318, "now accepting reasonable offers." I looked at it a year or two ago, I think it was $6k at the time. It's about a 6 out of 10. Also a '76 Hemi Town & Country for only $25k.

LOL It's like Rosco's 1A2 Laughing
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1984twodoor wrote:
It's good to see you finally doing things to this car! Arrow

I did something else tonight... silent
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Matt Trakker wrote:
1984twodoor wrote:
It's good to see you finally doing things to this car! Arrow

I did something else tonight... silent
Can't tell if that's a good or bad silent face
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Ok...now what the hell is this thing??? Laughing

It's part of the headlamp harness, just haven't been able to figure it out yet, I have the '93 Caprice FSM here and I can't figure it out in there either. All I know right now is it comes in through the C101 main front headlamp harness connector, it's the yellow wire. I'm looking through schematics trying to find out where it goes...

Coolant Low Sensor, I'd say.
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Ok...now what the hell is this thing??? Laughing

It's part of the headlamp harness, just haven't been able to figure it out yet, I have the '93 Caprice FSM here and I can't figure it out in there either. All I know right now is it comes in through the C101 main front headlamp harness connector, it's the yellow wire. I'm looking through schematics trying to find out where it goes...

Coolant Low Sensor, I'd say.

Oh man, I SAW THAT somewhere mentioned in the manual, but it was kinda vague and I also forget where. Did the wire that plugged into it go to the radiator, or the overflow tank? I'm assuming this was on the cars that had the warning lights under the HVAC controls...
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PostSubject: Re: Adding cornering lamps   Adding cornering lamps EmptySat Jul 28, 2012 2:45 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
SPCS wrote:
Matt Trakker wrote:
Ok...now what the hell is this thing??? Laughing

It's part of the headlamp harness, just haven't been able to figure it out yet, I have the '93 Caprice FSM here and I can't figure it out in there either. All I know right now is it comes in through the C101 main front headlamp harness connector, it's the yellow wire. I'm looking through schematics trying to find out where it goes...

Coolant Low Sensor, I'd say.

Oh man, I SAW THAT somewhere mentioned in the manual, but it was kinda vague and I also forget where. Did the wire that plugged into it go to the radiator, or the overflow tank? I'm assuming this was on the cars that had the warning lights under the HVAC controls...


I'll have to look at my brothers car then. He has the climate control with the idiot lights on it.
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The sensor should be located on the RH radiator tank, just below the upper transmission cooling line.
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