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+7Matt Trakker 96slowss toomanytoyz MASShole9C1 V8Killer sdstick soshoresig 11 posters |
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soshoresig
Posts : 34 Join date : 2010-09-13
| Subject: Lukewarm heat Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:55 am | |
| Hi everyone, Well its getting cold here in New England and Im starting to get heat from the old lady about the lack of heat in her 95 RMW. It does warm up but on cold days never really blows that hot. I thought it was the mixing door motor cause when I watch it move the door it seems to skip a lil. So i took the motor off and moved the door to full hot by hand and vice gripped it in place. Still seems warm enough when its 50 out but colder than that its def not warm enuff. Any ideas? Thanks | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:24 am | |
| Squeeze off the heater hoses (watch out for plastic fittings) & unplug the clogged sediment filled heater core. They all do it. Water thru 1 side, water thru the other, back & forth until you get good flow. Heat will need to be turned down if you do it properly. Dont get impatient & BLAST it out with high pressure or air (cuz you'll lose the core) Refill & burp your cooling systen when done | |
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V8Killer
Posts : 1691 Join date : 2009-03-12 Age : 52 Location : Southern, NH
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:54 am | |
| - sdstick wrote:
- Squeeze off the heater hoses (watch out for plastic fittings) & unplug the clogged sediment filled heater core.
They all do it. Water thru 1 side, water thru the other, back & forth until you get good flow. Heat will need to be turned down if you do it properly. Dont get impatient & BLAST it out with high pressure or air (cuz you'll lose the core) Refill & burp your cooling systen when done X2 | |
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soshoresig
Posts : 34 Join date : 2010-09-13
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:41 am | |
| Thanks! I'll try it today | |
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MASShole9C1
Posts : 4294 Join date : 2009-12-16
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:47 pm | |
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toomanytoyz Club President
Posts : 6876 Join date : 2009-01-20 Age : 47 Location : East Hampstead, NH USA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:37 pm | |
| Just flushed the heater cores in my caddy and truck today. Both had no heat. Now both are nice and hot! Lots of crap comes out of there for sure!
On the B/D cars, I like to flush them at the restrictor and tee connections because they are a lot easier to manage. Flush them backwards first! Make sure to leave your cap on and have a couple 1/2" or 5/8" vacuum caps to put over the hose barbs to prevent leakage. | |
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soshoresig
Posts : 34 Join date : 2010-09-13
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:24 pm | |
| No never got to it, fan stopped blowing altogether. Took out fan, fine, removed blower resistor and single wire terminal came off with wire and has burn marks thru the side. Now i need $90 blower resistor. Good thing my wife loves this land yacht so much cause its really trying me lately. | |
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soshoresig
Posts : 34 Join date : 2010-09-13
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:35 am | |
| Flushed heater core yesterday and it works great! It went from barely warm to blast you outta the wagon. Thanks! | |
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96slowss
Posts : 855 Join date : 2010-06-09 Age : 35 Location : Halifax,MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:50 pm | |
| where are u from? ive been seeing a RMW running around hanson/halifax latly | |
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soshoresig
Posts : 34 Join date : 2010-09-13
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:03 pm | |
| We're in Hanson. Its gold with factory aluminum rims. We drive it everyhwere, had it 10 years now, 167,000 mi and still going strong. We also picked up a 96 DCM SS last year and just recently got it roadworthy agin, so keep an eye out for that. Is that your SS in your avatar? Looks familiar, have you had it at the Walmart show before? | |
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96slowss
Posts : 855 Join date : 2010-06-09 Age : 35 Location : Halifax,MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:05 pm | |
| Nice. Iam sure ill see it when the summer comes around | |
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Matt Trakker
Posts : 5093 Join date : 2009-07-30 Age : 42 Location : Reading, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:12 pm | |
| - toomanytoyz wrote:
- Just flushed the heater cores in my caddy and truck today. Both had no heat. Now both are nice and hot! Lots of crap comes out of there for sure!
On the B/D cars, I like to flush them at the restrictor and tee connections because they are a lot easier to manage. Flush them backwards first! Make sure to leave your cap on and have a couple 1/2" or 5/8" vacuum caps to put over the hose barbs to prevent leakage. I think I need to do this to my Tahoe, drove to work today and while the heat blows good, it's not as hot as I think it should be even though the trucks at operating temp...someone told me that the 99+ trucks are known for having clogged up heater cores. I'm going to try to do it tomorrow after work, do I just crimp off both hoses with vise grips or something like that then run a hose from whatever the output one is (I guess from water pump must be the input?), then back again, then reconnect hoses? Thanks in advance... | |
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toomanytoyz Club President
Posts : 6876 Join date : 2009-01-20 Age : 47 Location : East Hampstead, NH USA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:41 pm | |
| Matt, be careful separating the hoses from the heater core. You may want to pick up a couple plastic "heater core connectors" for the truck before you take it apart. You will most likely break one. And they are cheap. I got one and the special tool for it for 9 bucks together at Auto Value for it. No need to pinch the hoses, just keep them help up higher than the motor. Use a garden hose on the core. It fits. I have one that's cut just for this purpose. I wasn't sure which one was in or out, so I just did it both ways. *chuckles* hth | |
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Matt Trakker
Posts : 5093 Join date : 2009-07-30 Age : 42 Location : Reading, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:28 pm | |
| - toomanytoyz wrote:
- Matt, be careful separating the hoses from the heater core. You may want to pick up a couple plastic "heater core connectors" for the truck before you take it apart. You will most likely break one. And they are cheap. I got one and the special tool for it for 9 bucks together at Auto Value for it.
No need to pinch the hoses, just keep them help up higher than the motor.
Use a garden hose on the core. It fits. I have one that's cut just for this purpose.
I wasn't sure which one was in or out, so I just did it both ways. *chuckles*
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Thanks Bill! I looked at VatoZone today when I was waiting for my laundry to finish, I saw what looked JUST like the connector there in the Dorman section... but it said it was for a Ford? Also saw a set of quick disconnect tools in the section with all that "OEM" stuff, but wasn't sure that was the right thing to use. My truck has rear HVAC so there are actually double heater hose connections, the regular ones, then in back of those there are some clear plastic tee versions as well! I have searched on Google and several forums leading to links where the plastic connectors and removal tools can be bought online but there seem to be several different ones to pick from. I noticed in my truck, which has the dual zone climate control with the 2 dials, that if you have it on 89, it's kinda warm, and if you max it out at 90, it's a lot hotter, it seems to work fine on 90 so maybe I'm supposed to leave it on that...the temp changes instantly as I turn the dial. I just feel like it should gradually get warmer, you know? | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:18 pm | |
| just got my car back, I need to do this. It was blowing hot when it was warmer out, but now that it's freezing, it's blowing barely cool. I'll try this. Any spare parts I should keep on hand when doing this? | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:46 pm | |
| - toomanytoyz wrote:
On the B/D cars, I like to flush them at the restrictor and tee connections because they are a lot easier to manage. Flush them backwards first! Make sure to leave your cap on and have a couple 1/2" or 5/8" vacuum caps to put over the hose barbs to prevent leakage. If your not careful & GENTLY rotate & seperate the hoses from these plastic fittings, you'll need them. Crovo uses caps, I just pinch off the hose. His way is probably better. I just can never find the right cap when I need it. Just follow the hoses out from the core & you'll see each of these fittings. Ya, I've snapped them before... | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:22 pm | |
| this something I can get at autozone? | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:50 pm | |
| IDK http://www.rmsautoparts.com/proddetail.php?prod=12522867 http://www.rmsautoparts.com/proddetail.php?prod=15-5423 Just dont break them... | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:56 pm | |
| thanks. much appreciated.
I hope I can get it done this saturday. | |
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toomanytoyz Club President
Posts : 6876 Join date : 2009-01-20 Age : 47 Location : East Hampstead, NH USA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:27 pm | |
| A garden hose repair kit will work in place of the restrictor, too. Ask me how I know. | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:22 pm | |
| - sdstick wrote:
- toomanytoyz wrote:
On the B/D cars, I like to flush them at the restrictor and tee connections because they are a lot easier to manage. Flush them backwards first! Make sure to leave your cap on and have a couple 1/2" or 5/8" vacuum caps to put over the hose barbs to prevent leakage. If your not careful & GENTLY rotate & seperate the hoses from these plastic fittings, you'll need them. Crovo uses caps, I just pinch off the hose. His way is probably better. I just can never find the right cap when I need it. Just follow the hoses out from the core & you'll see each of these fittings. Ya, I've snapped them before... I went to home depot to get the caps, they don't stock them... wtf? I bought two cheap vise grips instead. I'm a little nervous to be pumping ice cold hose water into my heater core right now. | |
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95brmw
Posts : 1434 Join date : 2009-11-10 Age : 39 Location : Connecticut
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:44 pm | |
| I did mine on the 1A2 today in the just above freezing temps here. I have great heat again. As expected, the damn tee broke as soon as I touched it so I replaced it with the brass one I pieced together, never have to worry about that thing again. It wasn't cheap, but is a permanent fix. http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=244453&highlight=restrictor&page=5 On another note, the heat in my 9C1 had been getting worse and worse over the last week. It got to the point where the defroster couldn't clear the window in the morning. The problem wasn't the heater core, but the blower wasn't pushing any air out. After pulling the blower I found that for the second time this year a damn mouse made its nest in there out of the insulation behind the back seat. That little bastard filled the entire box up to the inlet in the firewall with crap! I got him this time, it was apparently up against the blower when I turned on the defroster last, lets just say there was quite the mess to clean up in there | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:10 pm | |
| After reading all the issues with the tee and restrictive breaking I'm going to wait til I have the parts in hand. | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:30 pm | |
| - sdstick wrote:
- IDK
http://www.rmsautoparts.com/proddetail.php?prod=12522867 http://www.rmsautoparts.com/proddetail.php?prod=15-5423
Just dont break them... ordered, thanks. anyone wanna offer their warm garage? | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:31 pm | |
| That vehicle aint gonna respect you if it smells fear every time you get close. | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:36 pm | |
| - sdstick wrote:
- That vehicle aint gonna respect you if it smells fear every time you get close.
Is there any concern pushing cold outdoor hose water through the core? One person suggested I heat the car up first and pump warm water through it, but that's kinda hard to do when it's 19°F out... and the only source of 'warm pumped water' I have comes out of my furnace and that's WAY too hot. should I flush it with the engine cold? | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:39 pm | |
| Dont worry about it. Running water wont freeze. Flush the core, seal it back up & THEN warm it up. The water will mix with the existing antifreeze & your done. We're only talking 20 minutes to 1/2hr max Top off the tank after a couple of heat / cool cycles Dont forget to burp it thru the bleed screw in the thermaostat housing. Let it warm up fully, shut it off, open the screw (with a rag to catch the runoff) let the air out & your done | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:44 pm | |
| awesome, thanks I did the waterpump and T-belt on my old BMW in colder weather... when I was younger and not as much of a pussy... | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:21 pm | |
| Ya...I did mine weekend before last when it was balmy | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:51 pm | |
| FYI, no I haven't done it yet, but I do have the parts... I've only driven it a few times and the heat never would have come on by then anyway... so it's no rush. my big question is: could flushing it cause the heater core to fail? | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:34 pm | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:04 pm | |
| Right, but you were mentioning high pressure. Low pressure should be fine, right? actually, I had a question about what you say in post 2 - sdstick wrote:
- Squeeze off the heater hoses (watch out for plastic fittings) & unplug the clogged sediment filled heater core.
They all do it. Water thru 1 side, water thru the other, back & forth until you get good flow. Heat will need to be turned down if you do it properly. Dont get impatient & BLAST it out with high pressure or air (cuz you'll lose the core) Refill & burp your cooling systen when done what do you mean by that? the car should be running with the heat on low while I've got the hoses squeezed off and I'm pumping low pressure hose water through the core? I was just planning on yanking the hoses off with the engine stone cold and pumping water through the core back and forth. | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:13 pm | |
| - chapel wrote:
- .........Low pressure should be fine, right? .
Absolutely....LOW pressure is all you want to use so you DONT pop the core. - chapel wrote:
- .........what do you mean by that? the car should be running with the heat on low while I've got the hoses squeezed off and I'm pumping low pressure hose water through the core?.
Sorry, that should have been my LAST line. When you're done, and everythings back together and the car is THEN warmed up, you'll need to turn the heat down. - chapel wrote:
- .........I was just planning on yanking the hoses off with the engine stone cold and pumping water through the core back and forth.
Please do this... | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:21 pm | |
| Ok, so I should set the heat really low when I start it back up you mean... ok | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:33 pm | |
| OK. When your done...the heat will work well & you'll happy. Turn it up, turn it down....nothing matters.
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:36 pm | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:40 am | |
| ugh, it's got green coolant in it... god damnit. off to Autozone.
Thought Paul said he put Dexcool in it... isn't that always orange? | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:29 pm | |
| so, should I bother swapping for Dexcool or just keep on with green coolant?
also, where do you guys find 1/2" and 5/8" rubber caps? I've gone to 3 auto parts stores and Home Depot and no one has rubber caps this size.
maybe I could get like a stopper like this: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202209569&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=202209569&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D25X-_-202209569&locStoreNum=2686
I cracked the line open and coolant came pouring out. I can't leave a mess of coolant where I'm working on it, so I put the hose back on. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:43 pm | |
| - chapel wrote:
- so, should I bother swapping for Dexcool or just keep on with green coolant?
also, where do you guys find 1/2" and 5/8" rubber caps? I've gone to 3 auto parts stores and Home Depot and no one has rubber caps this size.
maybe I could get like a stopper like this: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202209569&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=202209569&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D25X-_-202209569&locStoreNum=2686
I cracked the line open and coolant came pouring out. I can't leave a mess of coolant where I'm working on it, so I put the hose back on. Green coolant. If you own a gm car, and it is under warranty. Use Dexcool. But once the warranty is over replace orange with green. Period. |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:55 pm | |
| aha, ok. So Green > Orange with these cars. Great, thanks. that makes this easier. | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:45 pm | |
| DO NOT mix Whatever is in there is in the block & wont come out without a full flush. DO NOT mix Either one is fine | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:34 pm | |
| Ok cool. I'll stick with green. I noticed the coolant reservoir was filled with brown sediment though... Do they make new reservoirs or should I just try to blast it out? | |
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1984twodoor
Posts : 4068 Join date : 2010-03-30 Age : 30 Location : Wilmington/Wakefield/Andover
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:12 pm | |
| - chapel wrote:
- Ok cool. I'll stick with green.
I noticed the coolant reservoir was filled with brown sediment though... Do they make new reservoirs or should I just try to blast it out? Blast it. Also Most people spray them gloss black because its hard to find a clean one. New ones I'm not too sure but I doubt it. | |
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sdstick
Posts : 4292 Join date : 2009-03-20 Location : Revere, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:11 pm | |
| You can blast it but it wont do any good. Dont worry about it. If your going to blast it you need to open the hose on the bottom or you'll dilute your coolant with water. Just clamp the lines like we said in the beginning & do the job. You had better have got the job done today 50 degress....wow | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:42 pm | |
| I was pulling the lines from the plastic connectors... I need a stopper to jam in there
I tried 3 places to find someone with a cap that would fit over them to no avail... by the time I got back home, I had to take my kid out for the day. | |
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95brmw
Posts : 1434 Join date : 2009-11-10 Age : 39 Location : Connecticut
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:57 pm | |
| - chapel wrote:
- I was pulling the lines from the plastic connectors... I need a stopper to jam in there
I tried 3 places to find someone with a cap that would fit over them to no avail... by the time I got back home, I had to take my kid out for the day. If you can't stop it you won't loose too much coolant. I did this flush on my 94 and lost about a gallon just letting it spill out. The whole job took 10 minutes. I had zero flow for about 20 seconds on the back flush, then the brown crap poured out and all was good | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:45 am | |
| I'm not allowed to spill where I'm working on it. that's the problem. drips, sure, but dumping a gallon of glycol on the ground will be a problem. | |
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Cadet57
Posts : 4481 Join date : 2010-03-14 Age : 36 Location : Chicopee, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:48 am | |
| - chapel wrote:
- I'm not allowed to spill where I'm working on it. that's the problem.
drips, sure, but dumping a gallon of glycol on the ground will be a problem. Pig Mats. 46 posts and you still haven't done this? What are you waiting for man? Weeks of nice weather to boot! | |
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chapel
Posts : 836 Join date : 2011-01-28 Age : 42 Location : Salem MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:49 am | |
| that's actually why I haven't been doing it. It's a lot more fun to go out with my kid than it is to fix the lukewarm heat issue. | |
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Cadet57
Posts : 4481 Join date : 2010-03-14 Age : 36 Location : Chicopee, MA
| Subject: Re: Lukewarm heat Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:02 am | |
| - chapel wrote:
- that's actually why I haven't been doing it. It's a lot more fun to go out with my kid than it is to fix the lukewarm heat issue.
It's a heater core flush. It'll take like 45 minutes... tops. | |
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