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MancheSSterJake



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PostSubject: Some MSD upgrades   Thu May 01, 2014 10:10 pm

I spent four hours or so changing plugs and wires on the SS.

The book called for the removal of the power steering pump. This is not necessary and not something I did. I did remove the alternator. The MSD wires are considerably thicker than the stock ones. It also sucks that the wire set is not the exact lengths of the stock wires. The #8 wire should be an inch shorter. The passenger side was done mostly through the wheel well and underneath.

I found it easier to slide the wires out with all the plugs removed. You will need to be under and on top quite a bit so being up on a lift really wont help.

So new plugs and wires. Runs great. Next will be a coil upgrade to a MSD coil sometime this weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 5:20 am

Easier, and no need to get under car if you pull the alt, belt, and tensioner.

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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 6:27 am

I thought about removing the tensioner but I had it jacked up already because I replaced the two front tires. I also removed the rail on the drivers side so I could put the new wires in the seperators on that side. You have to get under to take the back bolt loose.

If you have any suggestions on the coil swap I am all ears.
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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 12:08 pm

nothing better than a 96 a/c delco coil but you need to change the plug and coil wire
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MancheSSterJake



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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 1:34 pm

I already have the MSD coil. My understanding is that you have to drill out the rivets on the bracket to get the old coil off. The MSD comes with mounting hardware to bolt it to the bracket.

I was looking for info if anyone has done this and if there is something to look out for or a "what not to do" type of lesson.
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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 2:23 pm

MancheSSterJake wrote:


I was looking for info if anyone has done this and if there is something to look out for or a "what not to do" type of lesson.

Installing an "MSD - May Suddenly Die" coil is the "what not to do" here. Razz

As Bobby said, the factory Delco coil is superior in this case. Unless things have changed in the last 10 years or so...

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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 3:36 pm

I read nothing but bad about the MSD coil as well in my research. Everyone recommended the Delco coil over it.
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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 3:57 pm

I see. Sounds like I will stay where I am.
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MancheSSterJake



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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 4:23 pm

Ok. Coil is out.

Cap and rotor are in. On the national site people seem to like the MSD cap and rotor.
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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 5:02 pm

MancheSSterJake wrote:
Ok.  Coil is out.

Cap and rotor are in.   On the national site people seem to like the MSD cap and rotor.
MSD cap and rotor is top notch. Their opti sucks.

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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 6:08 pm

MSD quality is really "hit or miss" (zing!).  I'm not a fan of their stuff and would go with the Delco coil.  I had a set of their wires on my old truck, the boots actually separated from the wires after a while and the boots would disconnect from the plugs all the time alerting me with a misfire. I sold them on Craigslist to some guy that was going to fix them...the Blaster coil gave me problems too.

However, if the stuff you have is good I would run with it!
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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 10:06 pm

Thier opti sucks?

Have you ever had one?

& I mean one with a known past...

I'd bet on what I saw inside a MSD its also adjustable for those no pay for programming guys

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JaySS



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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Fri May 02, 2014 10:44 pm


MancheSSterJake wrote:
Ok. Coil is out.

Listen to what they are saying about the '96 coil, it is worth the effort to install.

People used to upgrade the '94 & '95 ignitions with aftermarket stuff, but that all fell out of favor once everyone found out that the '96 system can't be reasonably improved upon short of a CNP conversion.

http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=346937

That is the PN for the '96 coil - and not a bad price - lists for over $40.00 from GM Parts Direct.

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MancheSSterJake



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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Sat May 03, 2014 6:07 am

So the 96 coil is supposed to be way better than the 95 coil?

What is necessary for the conversion? Does the ignition module also have to be from a 96?
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MancheSSterJake



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PostSubject: Re: Some MSD upgrades   Sat May 03, 2014 6:19 am

I suppose the real question is-- Is the Juice worth the squeeze?

You hear about different types of "upgrades" that you dont actually feel, that ultimately give you 3 hp somewhere in the 5,000 rpm range, or cause you to hack up your car to make it work.

IS there any real evidence that upgrading to a 96 coil will produce any real result?
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