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PostSubject: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:43 am

Last year I purchased my second caprice its an 84 sedan with the 305 in it. The car was well cared for during its life. But I purchased it to become a project car when I had the time and money to put an ls motor in it. How ever the more I looked into that sort of project the more I realized I might need to win the lottery or something to pull it off! Then I happened to have been looking on craigslist just to kill some time and I found a 95 9c1 caprice in the next town. I knew this car since it was alway's at the local chevy dealer, its owner is a gm mechanic. So after talking with him about the car I bought it. Now I have the lt1 to go into my 84. Yes I know the 95 has its following but this car looks great until you look under it. The frame is beyond repair making this a perfect donor car. I know the motor runs great and the recently rebuilt 4l60e tranny shifts perfectly. I plan to use the motor tranny and the computer from the 95 in my 84. This will be my first drive train swap Hope it work out for me and I don't end up with two junk yarders! With all that being said I'm sure at least a few people have done this so any help you can give i'm greatful for your help

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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:38 am

So I keep reading about needing to flash the computer, is there a way to do it myself? Or is it something that I need to send out?
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:44 am

If you are using everything from the 95 including the rear end, you don't need a reprogram.

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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:49 pm

Exactly. You shouldn't need to flash anything. Its (almost) just like turning the key in the '95. the engine doesnt know any better. as long as its got all the '95 stuff hooked up Bill mentioned above.The biggest (in my opinion) problem for you may/may not be wiring up the dash to get the speedo and all those other goodies to work properly. Sounds like a great project! Pics would help tho. PM me if you need help posting the pics. We'll help you figure it out.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:24 am







Here is a few pics of the two cars the project and the donor Let me know if there is an angle you want to see and I'll take a picture Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:25 pm

Pics are a bit small but nice B bodies man! It's a damn shame you're gonna trash that 9C1.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:00 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Pics are a bit small but nice B bodies man! It's a damn shame you're gonna trash that 9C1.

here you go I figured out how to get bigger pictures Smile Trust me I wish I was not going to rip apart the 95 9C1 but the frame is just so far gone to try to repair so that makes it a perfect parts donor for my 84 and who ever needs something I won't need. I'll be messing with them every other sunday as the weather gets better, since its my only day off! Any parts will be first come first serve though Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:46 pm

Dude... That 84 needs WAY more lower! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:56 pm

I agree with crovo. Lower.

They look like great cars! It's interesting to note that the 9C1 has RPO 7X7. Any idea where it came from? Does the previous owner have any idea of its history?
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:27 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
I agree with crovo. Lower.

They look like great cars! It's interesting to note that the 9C1 has RPO 7X7. Any idea where it came from? Does the previous owner have any idea of its history?

The '84 can't go lower with the exhaust thats under there the remote cut outs will hit the ground! It was a NY state police vehicle originally and the previous owner got it at 92k miles ten years ago and drove it up to 106k miles. In that time he replaced both the front and rear bumper's, rebuilt the transmission and replaced the dual exhaust. I think I've had my eye on this car since he got it! He works at the local chevy dealer as a mechanic and I'd see the car parked in the lot next door. I wish one of the many times he had it on the lift at work he would have washed the undercarriage but obviously that did not happen Sad So now I've got a great donor engine and like new transmission Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:55 pm

Boxchevy84 wrote:
MASShole9C1 wrote:
I agree with crovo. Lower.

They look like great cars! It's interesting to note that the 9C1 has RPO 7X7. Any idea where it came from? Does the previous owner have any idea of its history?

The '84 can't go lower with the exhaust thats under there the remote cut outs will hit the ground! It was a NY state police vehicle originally and the previous owner got it at 92k miles ten years ago and drove it up to 106k miles. In that time he replaced both the front and rear bumper's, rebuilt the transmission and replaced the dual exhaust. I think I've had my eye on this car since he got it! He works at the local chevy dealer as a mechanic and I'd see the car parked in the lot next door. I wish one of the many times he had it on the lift at work he would have washed the undercarriage but obviously that did not happen Sad So now I've got a great donor engine and like new transmission Smile

Negative. My cars frame is less than 1 3/4" from the pavement and there's room for cut outs
When you swap the cross member for the 95 one the exhaust will be able to be moved higher under the car and the cut outs can be rotated up.
I have the LOWEST car in the club and there's plenty-o-room for exhaust cutouts and large diameter pipes under her. Arrow
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:04 pm

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Negative. My cars frame is less than 1 3/4" from the pavement and there's room for cut outs
When you swap the cross member for the 95 one the exhaust will be able to be moved higher under the car and the cut outs can be rotated up.
I have the LOWEST car in the club and there's plenty-o-room for exhaust cutouts and large diameter pipes under her. Arrow

All right then maybe I can get it lower later on but I kinda like the ride height its at right now! The pipes did scrape a couple times on certain speed bumps last year so I put air adjustable rear shocks to pick the rear end up a little to avoid that noise from happening again:)
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:43 am

Unless the '84 has VATS you will have to reprogram to disable it.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:27 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think VATS applies to an '84, tho it may have existed, probably not in a caprice. But yes you'd need the vats box for the car to start or have the LT1 PCM tuned.
The 9C1 doesn't HAVE VATS exactly. It does but since it has 1 key for the entire car and no key chip, the factory just pinned the wire back into the box to "trick" it. There's also a way to add resistors some way or another. I saved these pics form the big forum a while back showing what a 9C1 VATS box should look like. Either way, you'll need it with the PCM.

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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:57 am

So in the process of attempting to remove the unneeded wires from the old harness I found a cluster of them that have cracked and exposed themselves. Found them the shocking way as the brushed against some thing and got a little spark. Now I'm thinking it might be best to just get an after market stand alone harness. This way its all new wires and not 18 year old dry cracked ones waiting to cause a headache. I've seen them available on a few different sites ranging from $500 - $1200 for the engine and transmission harness, and Painless Wiring is the most expensive one. Does any one have a suggestion on where to get one from?
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:36 am

I wouldn't spend that much on a harness. Just find another good harness. Most people out there with LT1 cars are using factory 18+ year old harnesses.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:13 am

What Tim said. And you do not need to involve VATS in any way shape or form. The 9c1 came without it. It is not even in the PCM program.
The only thing you will need to do is either notch the cross member on the frame for the a/c compressor, or use a a/c delete pulley. Pretty much everything is bolt up.

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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:41 am

What did you pay for the 95 if i might ask? You bought that in hudson 1 with the bad frame? I tried to buy that but we couldn't meet on the price. Nice guy. Guess he owned it for along time.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:27 pm

I paid the asking price because, just didn't feel like haggling over it. I knew I could make enough back on selling what I had no use for so it was a perfect candidate for me since I could drive it home and get a feel how it ran. That and it was still cheaper and easier then getting an LS motor and putting it in. ( that was my original plan until I found this one )
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:43 pm

I disagree Bill. The engine will run fine for about 90 seconds and then die unless you program out the VATS. Been there done that.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:48 pm

boojum wrote:
I disagree Bill. The engine will run fine for about 90 seconds and then die unless you program out the VATS. Been there done that.

That's why I posted the pictures. Bill must have missed that one while building his boat.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:53 am

Update the 305 and 700r4 trans is out and the the 305 went to the scrap yard after pulling the carb and trans from it those are still in my possession Smile the donor motor and trans are unbolted the the radiator assembly is out and neatly piled next to the 84 waiting for the next day off from work that happens to be monday 8/12 hopefully then I can get the LT1 pulled and placed into the 84 once its in its just figuring out the wires, getting the fluids refilled and setting up an inline fuel pump so I don't mess up the fuel tank some how
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:31 pm

Doesn't the 95 tank fit right into the 84? Thats what I've heard, I bet you could even reuse all the fuel lines.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:51 pm

MalibuSSwagon wrote:
Doesn't the 95 tank fit right into the 84? Thats what I've heard, I bet you could even reuse all the fuel lines.

You are 100% correct.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:56 pm

What are you doing about the motor mounts?????

You have to use the lt1 fuel lines, the tank should be direct replacement
You need the 9c1 tank or a tank from a 89/90 to make the fuel pump work (baffled tank)
I'm almost ready to drop my lt1 in (I'm still dealing with frame modification)





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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:04 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
MalibuSSwagon wrote:
Doesn't the 95 tank fit right into the 84? Thats what I've heard, I bet you could even reuse all the fuel lines.

You are 100% correct.

Then I wouldn't mess around with PITA external pumps if there is an easy option for internal pump tank.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:24 pm

What ironfistdog said IS the easy way. You have to consider what that 95 went through. Most likely a factory pump with over 100k miles in the rust belt. On the highway no less.

The tank, lines, pump everything swaps right in as if it were going back into the 95. Just keep it all clean that way you won't have bolts that just spin in place again.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:05 am

So as for the motor mounts I believe they are the same in the 84 and 95 if not I'll use the ones from the 95 car. Now for the fuel issue the parts car had a newer pump and sending unit in the tank. However that tank was used in my other 95 car from maine. The fuel pump failed in that one, when I dropped that tank and went to change it 3 of the 6 bolts in the lock ring just spin all the way thru. Until I figure out a way to get them to come undone that tank is basically useless. So until I find another tank I figured putting in a in-line pump would be the way to go. its all in the joys of having toys Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:54 am

The motor mounts for the lt1 are staggered to accommodate the ac compressor.
You either need to delete the ac and move the mounts forward or keep the ac and redrill the cradle and move the motor mount passenger side forward. I will tell you this the clam shells from an lt1 are specifically for lt1 cars and will not work with pre-93 mounts. You will need to pick one or the other. Lt1 brackets with lt1 mounts mounted on modified cradle or pre-93 brackets with your factory mounts and you move the brackets on the block forward.

As far as your tank any junkyard should have a tank for almost nothing.
Either that or cut the nuts off and re-stud the mounting flange.

Any plans for speedometer yet?

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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:18 am

ok good I was planning on deleting the ac from this one since my other 95 car needs a new compressor its squeeling like a stuck pig for the first 15 -20 minutes of the car running and is taking away from the nice sounding exhaust thats on it. lol

As for the speedo I've got a digital gauge cluster from summit that I will modify to fill the stock cluster hole on the 84 (just needs a larger piece of tinted plexi-glass) Then figure out how to wire it in lots of fun bounce 
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:09 am

today's update the LT1 and trans is out of the donor car its now resting inside the 84 engine bay. Still need to move the passenger side mount forward on the block but it looks by doing that it only has two of the three bolt holes to put the motor side mount on?? Not really sure since a friend of mine was trying to make it work, I'll lift the motor up tomorrow and double check it and try and figure some thing out for it. The a/c unit has been removed from the lt1 already.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:17 am

Passenger side has a threaded stud on the side of the block you have to remove that and use that hole as the top right mounting hole.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:14 pm

So I've gotten the motor to sit in the 84 and put the hood back on the car to protect it from the rain since I have to do every thing outside Smile In an attempt to remove the fuel lines from the 95 I managed to kink the line where it went around the brake master cylinder. I've seen I can get a repair kit to put a new end on the existing fuel line but has any one used them or can I get a complete fuel line with the quick release fittings some where to use in the 84?
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:27 pm

Where did you kink it? ...how far from the end?
Pic?

I've used those barbed fittings & replacement lengths before...they work fine, like everything else....as long as you install properly.

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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:51 pm

think its time to remove the remains of the 95 caprice 9c1 from the property. whats left in it is the rear end, rims, front and rear window along with small quarter window's on sides. if some one wants it make an offer,I figure its worth at least $300 in parts. sorry no doors, fenders, lights, or trunk lid. yes I have them but I'm not getting rid of them just in case I suddenly need them for my other 95.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:18 am

and the parts are gone
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:21 am

So my winter thoughts on this frozen project Smile since I already have another fuel injected lt1 caprice, I've decided I'll keep this one going old school and change it to a carburetor set up. I've looked around a little and found gmpp makes the only carb intake for the lt1. This way I can eliminate having to figure out the wire harness. I'll use the 84's stock 700r4, it can go out for a refresh soon before it goes in the car. By doing that it takes care of dealing with the crossmember for the 4l60 that was in the 95 along with the exhaust that was already custom in the 84. Now looking around the house I found a brand new hei distributor with out vacuum advance sitting in a box not sure if it would work or not?? Or should I get one with the vacumm advance on it and just leave this one in the box it came in? I've got an inline fuel pump to get fuel that I'll put on a switch or do keyed power have not decided yet. I'll pick up a new carb not sure what type yet any suggestions are welcomed. the electric fans will also need a remote switch but what about the water pump itself do I need a switch for that as well? I saw there is a book out there for the lt1 and it is supposed to have tips and how to's on making the carb swap or just other upgrades to the lt1, I plan on making a trip to the book store soon. All the fuel injection parts of the motor will go into a tote as a back up for the other car just in case it should ever be needed.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:36 pm

At this point you'd be better off just picking up a built 350 or 400 sbc.
For the amount of HP you are getting out of an LT1, it would be cheaper and less work to go with a suped up gen 1 motor.
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PostSubject: Re: 84 caprice lt1 convertion attempt :)   Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:14 pm

Ironfistdog wrote:
At this point you'd be better off just picking up a built 350 or 400 sbc.
For the amount of HP you are getting out of an LT1, it would be cheaper and less work to go with a suped up gen 1 motor.
Agreed. If you are going to put a carb on a LT1, don't go LT1. Go with a truck vortec 350 motor out of a 94-99 c-k truck.
They have similar torque numbers, and not bad hp numbers.

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