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PostSubject: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:15 am

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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:33 pm

Remember that feeling that day?

The # of innocent victims...............


It's human nature to "let it go".....

....................DON'T........................


Thanks for posting a reminder Glen

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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:38 pm

Will never forget.

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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:47 pm

I'll remember those seconds, minutes, and hours for the rest of my life. The entire day as well as some of the following ones are burned into my memory and will never leave.

I have no respect for the idiots who were probably 12 years old when this happened, yet have the gall to post internet memes joking about what went down that day with "too soon?" references and the like. Forgetting is what will lead to history repeating itself.

Thousands of people lost their lives that day, and so many made the ultimate sacrifice in order to help others, it is mind-boggling. I am one who will never lose respect for that. If anything it should make you not take your own chance on this planet for granted!

Drove with my headlights on today in recognition of the date, figured I'd see more people doing the same but didn't. Kinda pissed me off, but I'm sure that others are remembering in their own way and reflecting.

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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:05 pm

Didnt know anything about the headlights.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:09 pm

I was in third grade when it happened, and was sent home early only being told terrorists (or some group) had hijacked a plane. I learned the rest at home from my mom.

I'll always remember it, and of course some of the idiots in classes with me asked what day it was. I can't stand some of the people at that place
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:11 pm

1984twodoor wrote:
I was in third grade when it happened

I feel old.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:16 pm

I was changing trains at Times Square roughly when it happened. There was an announcement that "due to police activity at Cortlandt Street [World Trade Center station] all downtown 1 trains are terminating at Chambers Street." I got to work and watched most of the rest from my 9th floor office on West 26th Street. We had a straight view of the towers from the kitchen window.

Ironically I didn't know anyone in New York who were killed but I went to high school with a flight attendant who was on one of the planes. My cousin was on the 99th floor of the second tower that was hit (and the first to fall), but she ignored the announcements to stay put and got the hell out after the first hit.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:22 pm

No Moa wrote:
Didnt know anything about the headlights.

Heh, I didn't think anyone announced it as some official thing but I remember in years past lots of people had been doing it...
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:24 pm

mp775 wrote:
1984twodoor wrote:
I was in third grade when it happened

I feel old.

Time definitely flies...although I say once you hit about 16, every year after that seems like one long numerical age point that just flies by exponentially faster...

Quote :
I was changing trains at Times Square roughly when it happened. There was an announcement that "due to police activity at Cortlandt Street [World Trade Center station] all downtown 1 trains are terminating at Chambers Street." I got to work and watched most of the rest from my 9th floor office on West 26th Street. We had a straight view of the towers from the kitchen window.

Ironically I didn't know anyone in New York who were killed but I went to high school with a flight attendant who was on one of the planes. My cousin was on the 99th floor of the second tower that was hit (and the first to fall), but she ignored the announcements to stay put and got the hell out after the first hit.

Damn, I can't imagine witnessing that firsthand
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:17 pm

I still vividly remember it, I was a senior in high school. Never knew about the headlights either.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:23 pm

8th grade reading glass. We were reading Romeo and Juliet when one of the computer teachers came in and told my teacher to "Put on CNN, a plane just hit the WTC" We started watching about a minute before the 2nd plane hit. Thats all we watched the rest of the day. The creepiest part of the day was instead of the normal drone of C5's taking off from the base all day it was a lone State Police chopper flying around and a couple A-10 passes. Then a rumor started going around town that some "arab" people had snuck onto the base so the SHTF and there were hummers and cops patrolling my street. We're about 2 miles from the base gate.

*sigh* I hate talking about 9/11. Hell, I can't even watch any of the shows.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:38 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
I have no respect for the idiots who were probably 12 years old when this happened, yet have the gall to post internet memes joking about what went down that day with "too soon?" references and the like. Forgetting is what will lead to history repeating itself.

Thousands of people lost their lives that day, and so many made the ultimate sacrifice in order to help others, it is mind-boggling. I am one who will never lose respect for that. If anything it should make you not take your own chance on this planet for granted!


You really should be more aware that not all of us under the age of 12 on 9/11/01 are douchebags now. I remember most of that day, if you put me in that classroom I could stand where I was sitting and show you where Mrs. Arciero was sitting on a desk telling us about the hijacked planes. I can tell you about my mom crying at the kitchen table watching the 13" TV and explaining to my sister and I what was happening.

So please don't associate me with the people I know you're talking about. I'm not one of them. I didn't want to say anything in this thread and be "that guy" but I don't want to be placed in that group either.

mp775 wrote:
1984twodoor wrote:
I was in third grade when it happened

I feel old.

Yeah, you'll have that Smile

mp775 wrote:
I was changing trains at Times Square roughly when it happened. There was an announcement that "due to police activity at Cortlandt Street [World Trade Center station] all downtown 1 trains are terminating at Chambers Street." I got to work and watched most of the rest from my 9th floor office on West 26th Street. We had a straight view of the towers from the kitchen window.

Ironically I didn't know anyone in New York who were killed but I went to high school with a flight attendant who was on one of the planes. My cousin was on the 99th floor of the second tower that was hit (and the first to fall), but she ignored the announcements to stay put and got the hell out after the first hit.

That's nuts. I can't imagine what that was like. Thankfully no one in my family or any family acquaintances were victims, but I still feel awful for those who weren't so lucky. Thoughts and prayers go out to them all.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:27 pm

I was a freshman at the time. I was in Mr. Nelson's math class. The senior hall monitor Howie came in at one point and mumbled a few words to him at the door. All I heard was "mumble mumble plane crash mumble mumble pentagon".

No one thought anything of it at the time. I thought they were shooting the shit about some Bruce Willis kinda movie.

The bell for the next period rang. I stepped into my next classroom which was history with Ms. Cruz-Agusto. On the chalk board was written " terrorist attack" in huge letters. She gave us sort of an intro to what had happened before we shuffled 2 doors down the hall to join 4 other classes to watch what was going on in New York city. We watched on crappy t.v. Rolling cart type deal. Shortly there after, we were sent home.

That day I hung out with a girl ( my now wife ) and watched it until it got dark out.

I still have a cassette tape ( labeled terrorist attack )of everything from the radio that day I had recorded off of my stereo. I have not listened to it in about 9 years.

What a strange and surreal time in my young life. I remember everyone was so "proud to be American" and "united we stand".

March 19th 2003 we invaded Iraq. The allied forces captured Baghdad in 19 days following heavy combat. June 28th 2004 I signed my enlistment contract into the Marine Corps my junior year. I left 8 days after graduation in 2005.

September 2006 I deployed to Iraq in support of operation Iraqi freedom. My unit, D co 3rd assault amphibian battalion, and I spent 7 months there with a second deployment in October of 2008 in which i returned from just several weeks until my active duty contract was up.

Knowing what I know, and the destruction and chaos in Iraq, I feel absolutely horrible for what happened to their country. They were sort of, innocent bystanders if you will. Even fighting the insurgents. The lot of them weren't Iraqi nationals.

However, ousting their tyrant dictator was the best thing that happened to them.

I made a lot of friends there , mostly iraqi police and iraqi army, and enjoyed and embraced their way of life. I still eat Indian food and have quite a large, and growing collection of Iraq militaria I've added to what I brought home.

I'll spare you all the "war stories" and finish by saying that whoever was ultimately responsible for every single life lost on that day and since, is evil in its pure form. They should be dragged through the streets of hick town USA and then toured around the world to every single nation that has suffered from this event, and beaten.

What an absolute waste of innocent lives. Stay strong America. No one else is gonna fight our battles like we have done for so many others at the expense of a few "ordinary lives".
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:05 pm

1984twodoor wrote:
Matt Trakker wrote:
I have no respect for the idiots who were probably 12 years old when this happened, yet have the gall to post internet memes joking about what went down that day with "too soon?" references and the like. Forgetting is what will lead to history repeating itself.

Thousands of people lost their lives that day, and so many made the ultimate sacrifice in order to help others, it is mind-boggling. I am one who will never lose respect for that. If anything it should make you not take your own chance on this planet for granted!


You really should be more aware that not all of us under the age of 12 on 9/11/01 are douchebags now. I remember most of that day, if you put me in that classroom I could stand where I was sitting and show you where Mrs. Arciero was sitting on a desk telling us about the hijacked planes. I can tell you about my mom crying at the kitchen table watching the 13" TV and explaining to my sister and I what was happening.

So please don't associate me with the people I know you're talking about. I'm not one of them. I didn't want to say anything in this thread and be "that guy" but I don't want to be placed in that group either.

Ha, Matt, I'm more than aware, I didn't intend to mean or even write "everyone in that age group", and I KNOW you're not like that, you actually are the opposite of the people I keep complaining about in my head every day for being "lazy uninformed tweens" Wink . When you work in different homes multiple times a week it pisses you off seeing how some families function, let me tell you.
I'm talking about the lazy hipster pieces of crap I know on Facebook who wear fake lens-less glasses and girls jeans and post sardonic and sarcastic things joking about September 11th, (among other things that should not be joked about) as if it was some far distant occurrence in the extreme past that no long matters or never was serious. It's extremely disrespectful and distasteful, and drives me nuts because they literally don't know what they're even talking about! There were people acting like that right after it happened, too... I even remember almost beating the shit out of some googly eyed privileged rich a-hole from Marblehead who never had to lift a finger in his life for saying NYC deserved what it got on 9/11 because of what we've done to other countries...this was right after it happened! Some people are just D-bags and always will be...and need to go play in traffic to avoid polluting the future human genome with their malfunctioning DNA.

When this all occurred in '01 I was getting in the shower before going to my one class for the day, and as I went down the hall my dad said a plane crashed into the WTC. I figured it was a small Cessna or whatever and actually didn't think much of it. Right when I got out of the shower the second plane hit and all hell broke loose.

In spite of all this, I still walked a quarter-mile to the bus stop, and got on. (I for some reason didn't have a registered car I could take that day, I forget what the hell happened, but in addition, my dad also wouldn't let me use his Pontiac because my brother had previously crashed it and he said no one was allowed to use his car after that...)
I had some classes at North Shore at that Lynn Campus, so it was a long nauseating ride. The entire time I was totally freaked out, and no one on the bus was saying much, no one knew what to think or what to do. It was agony. When I got to Lynn, they set up one of the huge CRT monitors on wheels in the lobby and no one went to class, we all just watched that.
As we were watching, some middle eastern looking individuals walked through the crowd and said something that almost started a big fight, I don't know and didn't hear what happened but it was bad. Then when the buildings in New York fell, the campus went on lockdown and we were all kicked out by Campus Police. So I had to walk around downtown Lynn in a daze, until a T bus came, not knowing if we were going to have to lock ourselves in our homes, if further terrorist attacks would happen, or what. I remember talking to some elderly lady at the bus stop about it all while we waited.

Later came to find one of the piece of excrement hijackers lived like a half mile from my house, and his freaking website "Wolf of Darkness" was online for a quite some time after Sept. 11th.

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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:08 am

As long as we are both clear on that!

I can't believe that, I wish I was a bit older at the time so I could really understand it all. My History professor last year at Middlesex told us all about his father in law who suffers from dementia among other things and can barely remember what day it is and what he's eaten for breakfast come lunch time. But he can remember every detail to the T about Dec. 7, 1941 when he was walking around Pearl Harbor. I thought that was crazy!

But then again, everyone can remember 9/11 perfectly so I guess it isn't so crazy after all.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:17 am

Sheesh, I feel old now too.

I watched the whole thing on tv as it happened.
I remember how sick to my stomach I fealt as I was watching.

It still angers me when I think about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:14 pm

remembering is tough but nessessary.
I will never forget!


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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:14 pm

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This is a difficult subject for discussion due to the level of conflicting misinformation in constant circulation almost everywhere you look.
The internet is a breeding ground for the airing of views from every type of conspiracy theorist imaginable.
But let's not forget this, that whosoever was responsible for the carnage that day, they too also conspired to carry out their dastardly deeds.

I had worked a double shift in Harlem that night & finished at 7:30am, and then I fell asleep on the subway train back to Brooklyn.
I decided to walk around the complex of shops that sprawled underneath the towers after I'd realized I had missed my transfer point & was at the last stop, W.T.C.
I was still walking around under the tower when the first plane collided. There was no sound of an impact or the ensuing mayhem you might imagine at all!
An announcement said that no more trains would be coming into the station, and that all passengers intending to leave the area should board that train.
The train took on it's passengers (and me) and left for Brkln, no mention was made of the events happening just up above on the street level.

When I got back to Brooklyn, I got a call to look back toward the city only to see the plume of smoke from where the towers were.
I called work and was instructed to come back to work immediately, red alert status, and being a NYC civil servant, I had no choice.
I was told that non-responder vehicles would not be allowed back into the city, so I would have been stuck for countless hours in the traffic, so I decided to walk back to Harlem.
It was over eight miles, and some people may not like to hear what I'm about to say, but I can report to you truthfully what I witnessed that day in Krooklyn.

I had to walk thru some economically depressed areas to get to Harlem, and I was appalled to see such a conspicuous display of joy and celebration from the African-American communities.
It reminded me of the day OJ was cleared, when many persons of color were openly quite pleased, if not jumping up and down with joy.
I don't know if most white Americans know just how racially divided we are as a nation in the inner cities, and possibly most everywhere else in the USA.
On 911, there were no police visible to me on those streets that morning, and I got into a scuffle with some of the "revelers" over how this was no event to be happy about.
On the streets of Crooklyn, I was told that the "white man had that sh!t coming to him for a long time"!

My fellow workers who at the time were predominantly African American were just as extremely upset over the day's events as any Americans were, regardless of race, color, religion or national origins.
In the months following 911, I witnessed many incidents of people assumed to be "Arab" being terribly persecuted due to ignorance on the part of the accusers.

In Harlem, there was no celebration, just in Brooklyn. This is partly why I so detest Brooklyn, & I moved out asap after 911. The Bronx & Manhatten are WAY more pro-American-spirited than Crooklyn.
After work I took the train back home and again got into a much more serious brawl on the train in Brkln,
- and some people were hurt while we were fighting over whether I had a right to tell another American that they had no right to openly celebrate the events of that morning!
In retrospect, they were right, but still I was emotionally motivated to shut them up, as there were many people who had lost loved ones riding on those same trains in Brooklyn.
Many Americans died in previous wars fighting for the right of all Americans to have the freedom to express their views publicly, whether those views held be "right or wrong" by any other man's standards.

In the months following, I drove my Dually right through the WTC carnage every day, traveling between Harlem & Brooklyn, until all the steel had been loaded up on flatbed trailers waiting on the northbound West Side Hwy!
Every time I hold something in my hands made of steel that was made in china, I imagine that it was WTC steel, because that's where all of it went within weeks afterwards. Evidence that was sold for profit!
In the 70s, the steel ore was taken from north America, processed by the Japanese (in Japan) and shipped back stateside for less money than our steel mills were able to bid, on providing the steel for the original building of WTC!

Today it may be redundant to say "remember 911" but how many people remember the "PULLING of Building 7" that same afternoon???
All I can say now is that the whole operation was not only designed to inflict maximum damage, but that it was brilliantly engineered to be nearly impossible to unravel with respect to who the culprits actually were.
And what that tells me, is that this was no simple plan hatched in isolation by cave-dwelling, stone age, hate-filled, box-cutter wielding individuals all by them selves.
I'm not saying that the people generally accused are not smart or sophisticated, but it appears that the intelligence data necessary to execute to that degree of success, "they" would've had to have had a lot of insider's help.

For me, 911 inspires a personal pursuit of facts and careful truth seeking, & I don't want to casually sign on to any theories to explain it that won't stand up to the scientific scrutiny of physics, logic, and common sense.
I have quite a lot of related things to say about this subject, but perhaps another time and place.


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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:32 pm

I understand this is probably a tough subject for you to discuss given the detail you've just presented, so I just wanted to say thanks for sharing it with us, that was an incredible read, I was unaware of some points there. I can only imagine what that must have been like and it really puts my own personal experience in perspective, for sure.

I stayed in Brooklyn when I was in NY, but it was some part called "Park Slope" that seemed to be all young hipster kids. My buddy's GF lived there while she worked in Manhattan. It was weird for me because I expected Brooklyn to be, well, Crooklyn...
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:21 pm

Wow. I am right there with you on the matter of "common sense" and a degree of insider "help" if you will.

As you stated, this isn't the place to discuss the possibilities, but you're certainly not alone in thinking the way you do.

No one will ever tell us the truth, and that's when you need to start sniffing around.

But, as I stated above. It's terrible the way 911 turned into destroying the country of Iraq.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:33 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
I understand this is probably a tough subject for you to discuss given the detail you've just presented, so I just wanted to say thanks for sharing it with us, that was an incredible read, I was unaware of some points there. I can only imagine what that must have been like and it really puts my own personal experience in perspective, for sure.

I stayed in Brooklyn when I was in NY, but it was some part called "Park Slope" that seemed to be all young hipster kids. My buddy's GF lived there while she worked in Manhattan. It was weird for me because I expected Brooklyn to be, well, Crooklyn...

Oh yes, the infamous Slope!
A floating oblivious LaLa Land of metro-sexuals and variously confused refuse from the privileged classes who have not figured out how to live out their wealth in better surroundings.
It's interesting to note how abruptly the neighborhoods transform along certain imaginary, but distinct territorial boundaries in Brooklyn.
For some people living in the depressed areas, venturing out of your "hood" can mean a life threatening confrontation.
It reminds me of those convoluted maps of how birds claim zones in the forrest, and different species' territories overlay others who's inhabitants are not in competition for food.

Brooklyn has a LOT of amazing people in it today, and a rich history of even more incredible superstars from every possible field of advanced human endeavor, all who have been born and bread there!
It's just that now, many of the unlit streets have been over-run by a bad element.
Most are punks or thugs running amok displaying a peculiar blend of arrogance, belligerence, ignorance, empty bravado, exercising fruitless competitive aggression by random & reckless bullying while looking for any mark to prove just how "bad" they are.
The people who aren't down with all that foolishness know where not to go at night, or they better learn quickly.

I don't have any trouble talking about 911, but I am thoughtful concerning who I say what to, because it is so hard to find people who are willing to let go of the manufactured "truths" that the mass media has feed us so selectively, and for what purpose?
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:45 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Wow. I am right there with you on the matter of "common sense" and a degree of insider "help" if you will.

As you stated, this isn't the place to discuss the possibilities, but you're certainly not alone in thinking the way you do.

No one will ever tell us the truth, and that's when you need to start sniffing around.

But, as I stated above. It's terrible the way 911 turned into destroying the country of Iraq.

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Thank you for being the type of American the founding fathers would today be proud to have ultimately risked their lives for.

My idea of a true American is a person whose eyes are open, and increasingly, through his life's experiences, learns the clearer picture of how it all works, and for the benefit of whom.

The best part of learning is the letting go of ideas, facts and concepts that you somehow used to think were correct!

But more importantly, , ,

He is not afraid to express and engage others in his evolving world views, particularly to those who are also interested in arriving at a better understanding of a world filled with needless strife and suffering.
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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:50 pm

Machine-De-Zine wrote:

Oh yes, the infamous Slope!
A floating oblivious LaLa Land of metro-sexuals and variously confused refuse from the privileged classes who have not figured out how to live out their wealth in better surroundings.
It's interesting to note how abruptly the neighborhoods transform along certain imaginary, but distinct territorial boundaries in Brooklyn.
For some people living in the depressed areas, venturing out of your "hood" can mean a life threatening confrontation.
It reminds me of those convoluted maps of how birds claim zones in the forrest, and different species' territories overlay others who's inhabitants are not in competition for food.

Yep. Needless to say, I did not feel like I "fit in". It was like another Cambridge, MA, sort of. I will say I saw a few old hipster-owned vehicles there, 1971 Newport, mid 60s Skylark, etc...

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PostSubject: Re: Never forget   Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:00 pm

Well, I'm that guy. I may be young, but I've certainly been dealt an interesting hand in life from day one.

I learned to look closer and not to trust the hand that feeds. And also, to never give my hand away in poker.

Not to build a pedestal for myself, but I have seen and done alot more than most 25 yr olds that I know.

Ive been around the world 4 times, literally. There's not too much that amazes, shocks, or impresses me anymore.

When I was a police officer, we were told from the start "not to get cynical".

I will tell you that I heard it a million times that I was too cynical for my experience.

Boy can I tell you, it got old. I always chalked it up to being well educated and realistic.

Nonetheless, what happened 11 years ago is an ultimate test of who you are and how clueless you can be.
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