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PostSubject: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:39 pm

Well I knew it was gonna happen, just opened the hood on my Impala to check the battery and see how old it was (it died last night, yet the car started today).

Went to close the hood, and the bolt further back on the driver's side hinge where the underside of the hood itself bolts to the hinge pulled right out of the hood. The metal of the hood in that spot was rotting, just wasn't expecting for it to pull out that easily. The rest of the hood is mint, I don't get it.

Anyway, does it sound plausible that a body shop could cut out like a square where my hinge bolts to the hood, then weld a patch and build it up with some metal in back if necessary and then drill a new bolt hole so I don't have to scrap the whole hood? I found another hood in RI at a salvage yard (I've seen the 74 Caprice it's from, the car is a mess and I don't know if the hood is going to be better than mine, would need to be painted too), plus they're kind of expensive (North Smithfield Auto Recycling).

I'm going to ask at a body shop tomorrow. The worst part of it all is that I closed the hood w/o seeing what requirements I need for my car's battery. And I can't even open it alone to take a pic of the problem. Might have to take the white caprice to the roundup...lol
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:04 pm

That should be a piece of cake for a good body shop.

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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:35 pm

Ha, I'd hope so. I have tomorrow off so I'm going to take a ride to a couple places and see what the deal is. IF this is doable, I'll be getting the underside of the hood done in something like satin black epoxy primer, and maybe the hinges, since the hood will be off.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:41 pm

Sad sucks Matt,.. Nothing worse Than parts rotting out from under you. The rear floor under the back seats of my 70 impala went while I was driving it, rug and insulation fell through and started smoking on the exhaust pipes!!

Wish you were closer, I have welders and a bunch of sheet metal/angle iron/ scrap, and a nice set of taps/dies/bolt re-Threader's
Repaired many a rotten part. Labor with me is always free for stuff like this, good luck with the hood man!
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:03 pm

No worries, lol. It just pisses me off how ass-backwards this car was constructed. Some areas are mint, then other places like this will give me a problem. Fortunately the car was undercoated at the dealership, the undercarriage is really dry and mostly still black. Just have to get the back window removed and the leak/window channel issue resolved, some paint checking, this hood thing, the bottoms of the doors have some peeling and surface rust up underneath, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:19 pm

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No worries, lol. It just pisses me off how ass-backwards this car was constructed. Some areas are mint, then other places like this will give me a problem. Fortunately the car was undercoated at the dealership, the undercarriage is really dry and mostly still black. Just have to get the back window removed and the leak/window channel issue resolved, some paint checking, this hood thing, the bottoms of the doors have some peeling and surface rust up underneath, etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Sun May 20, 2012 10:52 pm

I don't think I ever posted again about this...

My hood is currently off the car and should be back finished this week. Took a scrap from Matt's wrecked 87 hood, but that wouldn't work. Turns out there was a HUGE mouse nest inside my hood, between the two panels. It was made of synthetic pillow stuffing. Don't know where it came from, but my guess is from sitting in a garage decades ago where something was present that mice got into...there's no mice evidence inside the car.

This nest was the size of a baseball glove and rotted the area around the bolt hole just enough to create an issue. The body guy wants to cut out a bigger section than would be feasible to make something to patch with, so I started looking for another hood...supposedly it would be more of a pain to paint and install a diff. hood on my car than to patch the old one with the original decent paint on it.

I found a '74 Impala being parted out on the NH craigslist but the guy was a flake and kept on not responding to both my as well as a friends emails, then we called him, he said he'd call back a half hour later, and never did. He wanted 175 for the damned hood anyway, they aren't worth that much and I'm sure that no one else except for me would be looking for it...whatever.

On a hunch, I checked Jack's in Billerica, remembering that I'd seen a 1975-76 4 door Impala sticking out of a dirt mound in a wooded area there, probably around 1996 when I went in with my father. That hood wouldn't even be accessible, but I figured maybe there was something else there.

When I went in I walked around for a bit near the newer B-bodies seeing what was there, then walked over to an "old GM" section in the back where I remembered that car sitting. Last time I was at Jack's, I couldn't see it, but it was still there. I forgot to take a pic. When I went around the corner, I noticed over all the weeds and cars that weren't applicable, I saw some 71-76 GM Passenger windshield shapes out in the woods and brush...haha.

Jack's is a mess and I don't like being there alone, but I walked into the wooded area fully expecting to find human remains wearing a BUM Equipment sweatshirt or a Pontiac full of coyotes...

When I saw this from the "road" I KNEW there was going to be something in there...










w00t! This is a '72, but I know the hood is the same stamping. It just has a different hood latch catch design, but that doesn't matter as I just need to have a section cut.






This hood has probably been open for 25 years. That Pontiac behind this car is rare, see how instead of the design on my car, it's got fixed quarter windows in back like a 74-76 Impala/Caprice with the "colonnade" roof, but in addition has very small thin roll down quarter windows right at the door? They're actually power windows in this car too, if you look close.


Yoink!


Had to haul this thing all the way back to the office, it sucked.


Anyway, I was shocked to find something I could use in that yard, I'll be going back to get some more things I need and scavenge if something's cheap.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Sun May 20, 2012 11:07 pm

Hey Matt, take some more pics next time you go. I want to know/see what they have for b bodies up there. I don't want to waste a trip ya know?
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon May 21, 2012 3:59 pm

Brian last time I was there (a few months back) they had a rm wagon and a white caprice(94-96) not much else but it could have changed since.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon May 21, 2012 4:01 pm

They have some stuff that I listed in the junkyard thread, but it's almost all either a mess, surrounded by brush, or stacked on top of something if it's not stuck under another car. If I go back this week I'll look and see whats there
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Mon May 21, 2012 4:26 pm

Thanks guys. I want to make some good junk yard trips this summer. Both for photography and for my B body parts hoarding addiction.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 11:03 am

I finally hit Jack's on Wednesday. Quite a few B's, including boxes, but mostly picked over and/or destroyed and/or inaccessible. I was impressed with the amount of older stuff they have.


'93 Caprice & '95 wagon


'91 Caprice wagon; 93 Roadmaster wagon in background atop an '85 Electra


Inside the RMW; note "new car smell"


TBI Caprice of unremembered vintage


'94 Roadmaster


'96 Roadmaster


'89 Caprice




Electra wagon & box Caprice


'89 Custom Cruiser




1984 Monte Carlo w/SS front clip


1987 Monte Carlo


'66 Galaxie


'71 LTD amid Thunderbirds


1969 Continental


'70s Lincoln


And this was out in the parking lot



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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 11:19 am

Wow Mike. Excellent pics! I may have to make a trip out there. Where is it again? Too bad most of those cars are tough to get to without a submarine.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 11:54 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Wow Mike. Excellent pics! I may have to make a trip out there. Where is it again? Too bad most of those cars are tough to get to without a submarine.

24 Town Farm Lane in Billerica. DO NOT take the 9C1 there... Railroad bridge

Holland's isn't far away, either; I might head there in a few minutes...
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 12:31 pm

mp775 wrote:
MASShole9C1 wrote:
Wow Mike. Excellent pics! I may have to make a trip out there. Where is it again? Too bad most of those cars are tough to get to without a submarine.

24 Town Farm Lane in Billerica. DO NOT take the 9C1 there... Railroad bridge

Holland's isn't far away, either; I might head there in a few minutes...

There was a CLEAN 92 sedan last time I was there.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 1:29 pm

I was at both yesterday afternoon, forgot the camera but guess it doesn't matter now!

All the stuff at Jack's is well picked over, and seems like every time you go, a car you saw a week or two earlier is gone or damaged...some idiots were breaking car windows for fun in the yard while I was there. That squashed 92 gray Caprice had a car on the roof before I think, and the green/gray 93 had one on the roof that's gone, they're crushing some stuff right now.

That white Caprice wagon donated it's washer fluid tank cap to my '93. Very Happy I don't know what it is but '93s seem to always have broken caps, same with my old truck.

There are some FWBs, 93s down the back. One is blue and destroyed, but has the taillights, and one is like tan or something and has usable leather seats that might clean up in it.

Also, be careful of wild animals. I tried to go back and find wiper arms, and stumbled over several foxes and freaked. They were living under a Caddy it looks like, one that I posted a pic of before. They looked at me and walked off toward where the cars I was interested in were like it didn't matter, so I aborted and will go back with others to make noise and scare things away...it's WAY more overgrown than just 2 weeks ago!

Oh, and as for the blue 92 Caprice at Hollands, I went yesterday for the hell of it to snag the 91 taillights, but some ass went and took ONE of them! WTF! Are you that poor/strapped for room to not get both? Mad

The pass side is left if someone has a broken one. It looked alright to me. That car is VERY complete if someone needs parts too. The 96 is still there but well picked over.

I cut the hell out of my hand trying to pull the antenna cable out of the 96, shouted the F-word, then bleeding like a sieve searched the cars around it, and just as I expected, found a whole box of sanitary antibacterial wet nap things in a Cadillac Deville which saved the day. I almost texted Crovo or someone else privy to Hollands because it was so funny, but it hurt too much to put my hand into my pocket to retrieve said phone. I think I'm going to have to get one of those aftermarket hidden antennas or something because I've just about had it.

Brian if you go let me know ahead of time, might be able to meet up at least and grab lunch or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 1:58 pm

Matt, if you go to Holland's again with your camera, be advised they don't allow photography. I told the guy I was taking pictures for a club and might result in members coming there to buy parts, so he eventually let me get away with it. That '92 is still there and complete.

Where is "the back" at Jack's? I was looking for FWBs... Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 2:32 pm

Matt you have my number, next time you go shoot me a call/text. Mike when you go same thing!

One, five zero eight, four two three, seven seven four one.

If anyone is going to the yards or in the area feel free to call or something, I live about 15 minutes from Hollands and Jacks driving like a grandma so I'll be up for it if I have time.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 3:11 pm

Will do. This week's trips were kind of on a whim, plus I had no idea how much time I'd actually have once I got there. Do the same if you're going - four zero one, six one seven, fifty five eighty five. No texts.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 3:12 pm

mp775 wrote:
Matt, if you go to Holland's again with your camera, be advised they don't allow photography. I told the guy I was taking pictures for a club and might result in members coming there to buy parts, so he eventually let me get away with it. That '92 is still there and complete.

Where is "the back" at Jack's? I was looking for FWBs... Mad

The FWBs are right where all the crappy FWD Cadillacs are, the tan FWB is visible in the pic of the 94 RMS! haha. The blue one is along the woodline there. It's not recognizable.

Yeah, thanks for the heads up, didn't take any pics at Hollands, I figured most junkyards don't allow cameras, but I'm pretty discreet about it so if I snagged a picture, I did it quick. Where I was it was very overgrown too so no one was going to see even if I staged a photoshoot with models and stuff. Haha. At Holland's, it's like a museum compared to Jack's, but I'm sure they don't want to be looking out for undercover EPA agents or something taking soil samples and photos.

From the looks of your photos however, I'm assuming you may have been using a DSLR w/lens, which isn't exactly discreet, lol. I need to get a new smaller camera that fits in my pockets better, then a nice Canon SLR after that...

Matt I think I texted you when I went to the Horseshoe Grille last weekend. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 3:25 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
The FWBs are right where all the crappy FWD Cadillacs are, the tan FWB is visible in the pic of the 94 RMS! haha.

Yeah, now I see it. I couldn't get to that row without a boat, though.

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Yeah, thanks for the heads up, didn't take any pics at Hollands, I figured most junkyards don't allow cameras, but I'm pretty discreet about it so if I snagged a picture, I did it quick. Where I was it was very overgrown too so no one was going to see even if I staged a photoshoot with models and stuff. Haha. At Holland's, it's like a museum compared to Jack's, but I'm sure they don't want to be looking out for undercover EPA agents or something taking soil samples and photos.

From the looks of your photos however, I'm assuming you may have been using a DSLR w/lens, which isn't exactly discreet, lol. I need to get a new smaller camera that fits in my pockets better, then a nice Canon SLR after that...

I had a Canon SX40IS on me; not an SLR, but not discreet, either. I try *not* to be discreet because I don't want anyone to think I'm up to something. At Holland's, I saw a guy driving around the yard in a trashed Lumina with parts piled on top of it -- *after* I had put the camera away.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 4:33 pm

God dammit! Why did the doors on that '93 wagon need to have smashed windows? They'd be perfect for my car. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 4:42 pm

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God dammit! Why did the doors on that '93 wagon need to have smashed windows? They'd be perfect for my car. Rolling Eyes

Why? your windows are broken?
They pop out like nothing....
Course...I didnt know you needed doors?

Also...watch out for the "WILD animals" those foxes can be sly...

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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 4:43 pm

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God dammit! Why did the doors on that '93 wagon need to have smashed windows? They'd be perfect for my car. Rolling Eyes

You need doors? I have front windows.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 4:57 pm

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Cadet57 wrote:
God dammit! Why did the doors on that '93 wagon need to have smashed windows? They'd be perfect for my car. Rolling Eyes

You need doors? I have front windows.

I don't "need" doors. But if I were to have found a full set in white like these I'd have snapped them up to swap them on my car to delete the chrome trim.

I also stupidly forgot I had tinted windows so I'd have to swap the glass anyways. And I don't see that happening without the tints getting farked up.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 5:15 pm

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Matt Trakker wrote:
The FWBs are right where all the crappy FWD Cadillacs are, the tan FWB is visible in the pic of the 94 RMS! haha.

Yeah, now I see it. I couldn't get to that row without a boat, though.

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Yeah, thanks for the heads up, didn't take any pics at Hollands, I figured most junkyards don't allow cameras, but I'm pretty discreet about it so if I snagged a picture, I did it quick. Where I was it was very overgrown too so no one was going to see even if I staged a photoshoot with models and stuff. Haha. At Holland's, it's like a museum compared to Jack's, but I'm sure they don't want to be looking out for undercover EPA agents or something taking soil samples and photos.

From the looks of your photos however, I'm assuming you may have been using a DSLR w/lens, which isn't exactly discreet, lol. I need to get a new smaller camera that fits in my pockets better, then a nice Canon SLR after that...

I had a Canon SX40IS on me; not an SLR, but not discreet, either. I try *not* to be discreet because I don't want anyone to think I'm up to something. At Holland's, I saw a guy driving around the yard in a trashed Lumina with parts piled on top of it -- *after* I had put the camera away.

You can get to the Caddies easily, but you kind of have to walk around the water by finding another row. I DID notice that the water looked to have receded recently and I had to step lively though. There were some guys speaking Russian or something back there looking for parts, lol.

I LOL'd at that Lumina, I saw it right after I got up and shouted an expletive as a result of my injury...first I saw a moving pile of parts above the cars, then noticed that there was a Lumina underneath them! I wonder if that vehicle receives oil changes at 3k mile intervals these days.

On a lighter note, my hood should finally be done tomorrow or Tuesday...now maybe I can drive my damned car!
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 5:19 pm

sdstick wrote:


Also...watch out for the "WILD animals" those foxes can be sly...

We're talking about Jack's here...
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Fri May 25, 2012 5:31 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:

The big cat or the guy with glasses? lol
Reminds me of the Family Guy with the handicapped kid petting Brian too aggressively.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Sat May 26, 2012 10:55 am

Matt Trakker wrote:
mp775 wrote:
Matt, if you go to Holland's again with your camera, be advised they don't allow photography. I told the guy I was taking pictures for a club and might result in members coming there to buy parts, so he eventually let me get away with it. That '92 is still there and complete.

Where is "the back" at Jack's? I was looking for FWBs... Mad

The FWBs are right where all the crappy FWD Cadillacs are, the tan FWB is visible in the pic of the 94 RMS! haha. The blue one is along the woodline there. It's not recognizable.

Yeah, thanks for the heads up, didn't take any pics at Hollands, I figured most junkyards don't allow cameras, but I'm pretty discreet about it so if I snagged a picture, I did it quick. Where I was it was very overgrown too so no one was going to see even if I staged a photoshoot with models and stuff. Haha. At Holland's, it's like a museum compared to Jack's, but I'm sure they don't want to be looking out for undercover EPA agents or something taking soil samples and photos.

From the looks of your photos however, I'm assuming you may have been using a DSLR w/lens, which isn't exactly discreet, lol. I need to get a new smaller camera that fits in my pockets better, then a nice Canon SLR after that...

Matt I think I texted you when I went to the Horseshoe Grille last weekend. LOL

Matt that must have been someone else because I didn't get that one haha! I normally use my phone to take pictures, they're bad angles but decent quality.

Mike there are some cool finds if you loop around the other side of the warehouse, that's where I found an un-touched FWB once.

Cadet57 wrote:
God dammit! Why did the doors on that '93 wagon need to have smashed windows? They'd be perfect for my car. Rolling Eyes

That car actually doesn't have power windows so you'd have to work on swapping that over too.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Sat May 26, 2012 10:56 am

1984twodoor wrote:

Cadet57 wrote:
God dammit! Why did the doors on that '93 wagon need to have smashed windows? They'd be perfect for my car. Rolling Eyes

That car actually doesn't have power windows so you'd have to work on swapping that over too.

I'm no longer angry. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Wed May 30, 2012 12:05 am

So anyway, my hood's done and got it back on the car today! For the total investment involved as far as money is concerned, it didn't amount to much compared to lugging that damned green hood out of the junkyard. Repair came out pretty damn good too. I'm psyched, I can drive my cah again!

When reinstalling the hood we found out that Tarrytown Assembly did a wonderful job installing the nose of my car slightly askew toward the driver's side... Surprised

Now to get a damn working sound system in this thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Hood hinge area rust issues   Wed May 30, 2012 12:53 am

Next time use your head. Smile

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