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MASShole9C1



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PostSubject: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:51 pm

Im looking into the world of TBI caprices. Some will ask why. I havnt owned one of that "era" yet.

What are the downsides other than lack of performance? I want to get away from the whole opti ignition. Atleast, i dont want both of my cars to have it so one will "always" start. I dig the fender skirt with nice white wall tires too lol!

I searched the big forum for answers to the problem with my '95. No start after rain or high humidity. Its been unanswered for years and many owners run into it. Im done sinking money into it. Its got my diag skillz beat. Waiting for someone to buy it now.

Any ups, downs, personal opinions/experience are welcome!
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:21 pm

My '93 doesn't set any land speed records, but I can say it's extremely reliable and cheap to own. Lately it has been running a little bit rough- but very slightly, and I'm a stickler over that stuff. It's only when I stop at stoplights, sometimes, and it's a very slight skip. I might replace the ignition coil since it is original, I tuned it all up but never replaced that when I did. My car also has the 2.56 axle which contributes to the less than stellar performance off the line, but on the highway it gets pretty good MPG for a car of it's size. TBI as a whole isn't all bad, anyone who says to avoid the cars is probably at least a little retarded.

Doing plugs isn't bad on these cars, you can reach all eight from up above with a basic socket set. The whole air cleaner box just comes right off to replace everything else, the alternator took me 10 mins. to swap when I first bought the car (it was bound up from the car being unused), just over all maintenance is a total breeze.

I kind of want a TBI RMS or something like that now since you get the 350 and more amenities for cheap.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:35 pm

When my 95 wouldn't start in the rain it was a coil wire. Love my 91, sounds great with a cat delete!
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:05 am

Matt Trakker wrote:
My '93 doesn't set any land speed records, but I can say it's extremely reliable and cheap to own. Lately it has been running a little bit rough- but very slightly, and I'm a stickler over that stuff. It's only when I stop at stoplights, sometimes, and it's a very slight skip. I might replace the ignition coil since it is original, I tuned it all up but never replaced that when I did. My car also has the 2.56 axle which contributes to the less than stellar performance off the line, but on the highway it gets pretty good MPG for a car of it's size. TBI as a whole isn't all bad, anyone who says to avoid the cars is probably at least a little retarded.

Doing plugs isn't bad on these cars, you can reach all eight from up above with a basic socket set. The whole air cleaner box just comes right off to replace everything else, the alternator took me 10 mins. to swap when I first bought the car (it was bound up from the car being unused), just over all maintenance is a total breeze.

I kind of want a TBI RMS or something like that now since you get the 350 and more amenities for cheap.

Pretty much sums it up, Matt. I love my '93. No it doesn't have an LT1, but the 5.7 has plenty of power for a DD car and engine parts are cheaper I think.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:05 am

Yep, and in addition, I think it's pretty easy to drop a TBI 350 in place of a 305, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:07 am

Matt Trakker wrote:
Yep, and in addition, I think it's pretty easy to drop a TBI 350 in place of a 305, right?

I would guess? But last time I made a comment about an engine swap I got yelled at so I'm just keeping quiet.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:51 am

Thanks for the help guys. I guess the next step is to find a good, daily driver quality, 91-93. I can't see the problem with the 95 being resolved. When always wanted one mentioned, he replaced the coil wire, I'm wondering if he's talking about the actual harness wire. If so, where would I be able to get that? Dumb question I'm sure, but id like to see it fixed even if it does sell.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:01 pm

loved mine since the day i got it.
with all the issues you lt1 guys are always chasing, not sure id even
want an lt1 car... flame away...
Matt Trakker wrote:
I think it's pretty easy to drop a TBI 350 in place of a 305, right?
yep
as long as the 350 comes complete with throttle body, then you just need the computer, and the ecm i think its called.

my goal is to someday drop in a tpi setup.
dont care if its a 305 or 350.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:27 pm

LOL I feel the same way Anthony...I think the TBI cars are like a perfect balance between the simple old tech cars from the 80s and back but without all the crazy vacuum hoses and all the crap the clogged up vehicles from the late 70s on...newer cars are faster and more efficient but with TBI you hardly ever have to deal with anything at all...I know because I said that something will die on my car now... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:13 pm

I know where there's a blue low mile 91 Smile! If your gonna do an early one go with the 91 or 92. IMO they are the best looking ones 91-96 anyway. If you want power drop in a built 350 or a 383 stroker. Easiest swap ever! Buy a distributor for a tunnelram setup (non points) and an external coil. Get a regular carburetor and that just eliminated about 50lbs worth of crap on top the engine for ya. Set the timing to 4* instead of 0* and go! You could blow the doors off an lt1 car especially with an older small block. Find a 283 or 327. Those motors SCREAM! that '67 327 I have on the engine stand is putting out 425hp and a f*#& load of torque! I couldn't imagine a tpi car keeping up with that (stock engine) if I was to get another "B" it's gonna be a 91/92 and I'm gonna put that nova 396 BBC i got in it. Let me know on the year your looking for I'll keep my eyes open. Is your water pump leaking from the weep hole on the 95? Sounds like water in the opti or maybe water in the icm harness. Try bending the prongs on it and getting some electrical grease.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:22 pm

laidlow91 wrote:
loved mine since the day i got it.
with all the issues you lt1 guys are always chasing, not sure id even
want an lt1 car... flame away...
Matt Trakker wrote:
I think it's pretty easy to drop a TBI 350 in place of a 305, right?
yep
as long as the 350 comes complete with throttle body, then you just need the computer, and the ecm i think its called.

my goal is to someday drop in a tpi setup.
dont care if its a 305 or 350.

We might be talking soon for a TPI Wink I know of one that may be coming up for sale soon, but stop thinking and go finish up that metal work, you've got less than two weeks left!

*Sorry for arseing the thread BTW*
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:49 pm

laidlow91 wrote:
loved mine since the day i got it.
with all the issues you lt1 guys are always chasing, not sure id even
want an lt1 car... flame away...

I've been thinking the same thing... considering the L05 is a Gen 1 motor, you could potentially take any old high performance Gen 1 Chevrolet motor and drop it in...

I was thinking a nice high performance Gen 1 383 with a programmable EFI system like the Holley HP EFI or even the Stealth EFI would be a 400hp motor, no problem.

I think my concern would be transmissions... weren't the 91-93s 700R4s?

Also, how hard would it be to swap in an L98 from a Gen3 Camaro or Corvette? (TPI)
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:41 pm

Matt Trakker wrote:
LOL I feel the same way Anthony...I think the TBI cars are like a perfect balance between the simple old tech cars from the 80s and back but without all the crazy vacuum hoses and all the crap the clogged up vehicles from the late 70s on...newer cars are faster and more efficient but with TBI you hardly ever have to deal with anything at all...I know because I said that something will die on my car now... Laughing
EXACTLY...
Ironfistdog wrote:
that '67 327 I have on the engine stand is putting out 425hp and a f*#& load of torque! I couldn't imagine a tpi car keeping up with that (stock engine)
the only reason id like a tpi setup is because its something different that was never offered in a b body.
ive considered swapping to a carbed motor many times, and somethin always steers me away.idk
and as far as needin gobs of power for going fast, that stage of my life is long over. spent many a days outta work sittin in court for speed.
i have a family now, and my job requires my license.
so as long as whatever im drivin is in the weeds, i dont care if its slower then snail shit. Very Happy
1984twodoor wrote:

We might be talking soon for a TPI Wink I know of one that may be coming up for sale soon, but stop thinking and go finish up that metal work, you've got less than two weeks left!
Matt let me know when your ready to part with it.
if its in the budget id deff be interested.

as for the metal work, im gettin there, not sure my 17th deadline will happen.
maybe the fall cruise will be its maiden voyage.
chapel wrote:

weren't the 91-93s 700R4s?

Also, how hard would it be to swap in an L98 from a Gen3 Camaro or Corvette? (TPI)
YES..

and from what ive read on the camaro forums, some work needs to be done to the wiring harness.
ones speed density and the other is ??? idk what.
theres companies that will convert your harness.
if your good with electrical schematics you could prob do it yourself, but me, i suck at that stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:20 pm

I thought the lt1 was considered a tuned port injection motor? Tpi? And as far as all the motor swaps I'm with Anthony (we just had this convo) if your looking to drag the car then go nuts with a big beefed up 350 or stroked out sbc. If you want less headaches and it's an a to b car just get any early tri-9 and drive it. Nothing wrong with the 305. I had all my 91-93's with the 305 and one ltz with the 350... Really only 10hp more who cares! Just drive it to drive it Brian. I wanted the BBC in a 91/92 just because you wouldn't expect to see one under the hood. But then again I'm all about shock value. And anything and everything to make a car different is what I'm about. A gen one motor is a better choice. If the lt1/l99 was such a great engine we wouldn't have ls1's or any other motors and a 2012 camaro would have an lt1.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:06 am

I think this pic says it all.

Other than the performance downside, TBI cars are pretty much awesome. I beat the crap out of my car for years and she just kept begging for more.

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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:57 am

Ironfistdog wrote:
I know where there's a blue low mile 91 Smile! If your gonna do an early one go with the 91 or 92. IMO they are the best looking ones 91-96 anyway. If you want power drop in a built 350 or a 383 stroker. Easiest swap ever! Buy a distributor for a tunnelram setup (non points) and an external coil. Get a regular carburetor and that just eliminated about 50lbs worth of crap on top the engine for ya. Set the timing to 4* instead of 0* and go! You could blow the doors off an lt1 car especially with an older small block. Find a 283 or 327. Those motors SCREAM! that '67 327 I have on the engine stand is putting out 425hp and a f*#& load of torque! I couldn't imagine a tpi car keeping up with that (stock engine) if I was to get another "B" it's gonna be a 91/92 and I'm gonna put that nova 396 BBC i got in it. Let me know on the year your looking for I'll keep my eyes open. Is your water pump leaking from the weep hole on the 95? Sounds like water in the opti or maybe water in the icm harness. Try bending the prongs on it and getting some electrical grease.

Its gonna be a point a to b kind of car. PM me some info on the blue '91. As for the the water pump, its newer, not leaking. The opti and all that jazz has been replaced and greased. BUT! Today I did have a break through in narrowing the water problem down. I started the '95 and poured a bottle of dasani water all over the coil and associated components, after a minute, the motor just stopped dead in its tracks and it continued the crank no start. TM i will repeat the test. I may try to seal the area around where it mounts to the head with some sort of rubber cement to prevent a grounding out in wet conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:48 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Ironfistdog wrote:
I know where there's a blue low mile 91 Smile! If your gonna do an early one go with the 91 or 92. IMO they are the best looking ones 91-96 anyway. If you want power drop in a built 350 or a 383 stroker. Easiest swap ever! Buy a distributor for a tunnelram setup (non points) and an external coil. Get a regular carburetor and that just eliminated about 50lbs worth of crap on top the engine for ya. Set the timing to 4* instead of 0* and go! You could blow the doors off an lt1 car especially with an older small block. Find a 283 or 327. Those motors SCREAM! that '67 327 I have on the engine stand is putting out 425hp and a f*#& load of torque! I couldn't imagine a tpi car keeping up with that (stock engine) if I was to get another "B" it's gonna be a 91/92 and I'm gonna put that nova 396 BBC i got in it. Let me know on the year your looking for I'll keep my eyes open. Is your water pump leaking from the weep hole on the 95? Sounds like water in the opti or maybe water in the icm harness. Try bending the prongs on it and getting some electrical grease.

Its gonna be a point a to b kind of car. PM me some info on the blue '91. As for the the water pump, its newer, not leaking. The opti and all that jazz has been replaced and greased. BUT! Today I did have a break through in narrowing the water problem down. I started the '95 and poured a bottle of dasani water all over the coil and associated components, after a minute, the motor just stopped dead in its tracks and it continued the crank no start. TM i will repeat the test. I may try to seal the area around where it mounts to the head with some sort of rubber cement to prevent a grounding out in wet conditions.

Try it with a cheaper brand of water, It might start back up! Razz

if the issue is solved by that why not keep it a bit?
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:08 am

laidlow91 wrote:
Ironfistdog wrote:
that '67 327 I have on the engine stand is putting out 425hp and a f*#& load of torque! I couldn't imagine a tpi car keeping up with that (stock engine)
the only reason id like a tpi setup is because its something different that was never offered in a b body.
ive considered swapping to a carbed motor many times, and somethin always steers me away.idk
and as far as needin gobs of power for going fast, that stage of my life is long over. spent many a days outta work sittin in court for speed.
i have a family now, and my job requires my license.
so as long as whatever im drivin is in the weeds, i dont care if its slower then snail shit. Very Happy
1984twodoor wrote:

We might be talking soon for a TPI Wink I know of one that may be coming up for sale soon, but stop thinking and go finish up that metal work, you've got less than two weeks left!
Matt let me know when your ready to part with it.
if its in the budget id deff be interested.

as for the metal work, im gettin there, not sure my 17th deadline will happen.
maybe the fall cruise will be its maiden voyage.
chapel wrote:

weren't the 91-93s 700R4s?

Also, how hard would it be to swap in an L98 from a Gen3 Camaro or Corvette? (TPI)
YES..

and from what ive read on the camaro forums, some work needs to be done to the wiring harness.
ones speed density and the other is ??? idk what.
theres companies that will convert your harness.
if your good with electrical schematics you could prob do it yourself, but me, i suck at that stuff.

Well, My red Caprice had a full L98 swap done at clay chevrolet in the 90s. That car was different and it hauled ass! I'm going to have the 350 that came in it poked out and I'm going to build it back into a simple hydraulic roller motor for the white caprice once I start and eventually finish the now NECESSARY frame off Surprised

But anyway I always dreamed of a 383 TPI caprice two door, but I'd rather have vortec heads, a little bit of cam, and a 750 holley. I like the idea of not have to also switch it to TPI because frankly its a lot of work. The new shit is expensive but good, Arizona TPI is one of the best companies to help you out, and the Jags that Run TPI engine swapping book is pretty cool too! Another company is TPIS but I never got far into researching to check up on that company really. People do the swaps all the time and the info is out there, but I have enough work cut out for me. Maybe I'll do the swap sometime down the line....but thats a LONG line and sometime is closer to the end lol.

Anthony once I start to rip the red car apart I'll try to organize all of the TPI stuff and we can work that out. The stuff I have is all MAF equipment, meaning 85-87 stuff. (The speed density cars came in 88-I'm fairly certain). It would also come with an almost brand new GMPP 87 style distributor if you wanted, I really dont have a use for it because I run big cap HEI on the carb'd caprice. It'll be cheaper if you come down to help with some of the work! Arrow Plus I'd rather see it go to use instead of be stuffed into therafters of my shed like the orig. intake manifold from the white car and be useless by the time I can actually use it for my own projects. Oh and the computer for the injection is about as old as the distrib.

OK Thread jack over! Lol I feel like Machine De Zine now! Huge post done!

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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:43 am

1984twodoor wrote:

Anthony once I start to rip the red car apart I'll try to organize all of the TPI stuff and we can work that out. The stuff I have is all MAF equipment, meaning 85-87 stuff. (The speed density cars came in 88-I'm fairly certain). It would also come with an almost brand new GMPP 87 style distributor if you wanted, I really dont have a use for it because I run big cap HEI on the carb'd caprice. It'll be cheaper if you come down to help with some of the work! Arrow Plus I'd rather see it go to use instead of be stuffed into therafters of my shed like the orig. intake manifold from the white car and be useless by the time I can actually use it for my own projects. Oh and the computer for the injection is about as old as the distrib.
cool.
lmk, ill come dome and give you a hand with what ever you need.
it prob wouldnt hurt to see how the stuff comes apart, might make reassembly a bit easier.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:57 am

laidlow91 wrote:
1984twodoor wrote:

Anthony once I start to rip the red car apart I'll try to organize all of the TPI stuff and we can work that out. The stuff I have is all MAF equipment, meaning 85-87 stuff. (The speed density cars came in 88-I'm fairly certain). It would also come with an almost brand new GMPP 87 style distributor if you wanted, I really dont have a use for it because I run big cap HEI on the carb'd caprice. It'll be cheaper if you come down to help with some of the work! Arrow Plus I'd rather see it go to use instead of be stuffed into therafters of my shed like the orig. intake manifold from the white car and be useless by the time I can actually use it for my own projects. Oh and the computer for the injection is about as old as the distrib.
cool.
lmk, ill come dome and give you a hand with what ever you need.
it prob wouldnt hurt to see how the stuff comes apart, might make reassembly a bit easier.

Will do!

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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:40 pm

Ive inquired about this today. Teh blue 91 sedan. Waiting to hear back.
http://badass-of-ne.forumotion.com/t2922-mohawk-mayhem

Going to look at this tonight.
http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/2582777341.html

Do Massachusetts cars need cats anyway? Atleast ones this old?
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:57 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Ive inquired about this today. Teh blue 91 sedan. Waiting to hear back.
http://badass-of-ne.forumotion.com/t2922-mohawk-mayhem

Going to look at this tonight.
http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/2582777341.html

Do Massachusetts cars need cats anyway? Atleast ones this old?

no. up to 95 are emissions exempt
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:57 pm

chapel wrote:
MASShole9C1 wrote:
Ive inquired about this today. Teh blue 91 sedan. Waiting to hear back.
http://badass-of-ne.forumotion.com/t2922-mohawk-mayhem

Going to look at this tonight.
http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/2582777341.html

Do Massachusetts cars need cats anyway? Atleast ones this old?

no. up to 95 are emissions exempt

It's 96 now, actually.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:04 pm

Is it '96 now? Hmm, maybe I'll delete the cats on mine...
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:08 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Is it '96 now? Hmm, maybe I'll delete the cats on mine...

Well, they still do a visual check and any missing parts/ visual smoke is still a fail.

http://www.vehicletest.state.ma.us/motorist_basicinfo.html
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:15 pm

I was actually just looking at that. It was just a thought. Im not big into altering the vehicles factory components if they still do their intended job.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:35 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
chapel wrote:
MASShole9C1 wrote:
Ive inquired about this today. Teh blue 91 sedan. Waiting to hear back.
http://badass-of-ne.forumotion.com/t2922-mohawk-mayhem

Going to look at this tonight.
http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/2582777341.html

Do Massachusetts cars need cats anyway? Atleast ones this old?

no. up to 95 are emissions exempt

It's 96 now, actually.

Interesting, when they were doing inspector training they said it would be any OBD2+ car for emissions, regardless of age (though 96 was the first year for it...)

they can do a visual for smoke, but they don't do a visual for cats. My friend is a state inspector.

In fact, you can swap from EFI to carbs (formerly a failure for changing the emissions system) or to an older motor than what was installed now.
Though, if you try to sell it out of state, that person could be screwed... or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:07 pm

Yep, they JUST changed that earlier this year, I think the one that broke the news in our little social circle here was Paul/96Brougham IIRC, lol. Pretty nice, having OBD2 but not getting in trouble over it.

So there is no visual check for cats now? Wtf? That is very un-MA like.

I remember I went to look at a 71 Olds in Hyde Park that this older guy, who was a big time Olds collector (he had two mint 442s in his garage, unrestored, on the original white letter tires from the 70s that had flatspotted from sitting, with MA low-number plates that read "R 442" and things like that) and he had two Delta 88s, one diesel one that was mint, and another that had something like a 1970 455 swapped in place of a bad 307, but he told me he couldn't get a sticker because the inspection station actually noticed it. I found it hard to believe a guy with that many cars and connections to get those plates couldn't get a sticker, lol. His name was Richard Spears if anyone here has heard of him, I think he might have passed away...
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:13 pm

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Yep, they JUST changed that earlier this year, I think the one that broke the news in our little social circle here was Paul/96Brougham IIRC, lol. Pretty nice, having OBD2 but not getting in trouble over it.

So there is no visual check for cats now? Wtf? That is very un-MA like.

I remember I went to look at a 71 Olds in Hyde Park that this older guy, who was a big time Olds collector (he had two mint 442s in his garage, unrestored, on the original white letter tires from the 70s that had flatspotted from sitting, with MA low-number plates that read "R 442" and things like that) and he had two Delta 88s, one diesel one that was mint, and another that had something like a 1970 455 swapped in place of a bad 307, but he told me he couldn't get a sticker because the inspection station actually noticed it. I found it hard to believe a guy with that many cars and connections to get those plates couldn't get a sticker, lol. His name was Richard Spears if anyone here has heard of him, I think he might have passed away...

These days, I bring my car in, they check to make sure the lights all work... and they send it along...

that's it.

and I don't even go to a 'special guy' to get it passed anymore...

now that I know you can buy a 96 and not have to worry about inspection, that helps me a LOT.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:07 am

I just took the 96 fleetwood in for an inspection. It's got all kinds of stuff wrong. It passed with a ses light on and black smoke pouring out the drivers tail pipe. And an exhaust leak. It failed the first attept for tie rods and the e brake. Fixed them and he re tested and put a sticker on it and this dude fails me for anything he can find everytime I go there. Take the intermediate pipe down take a tire iron and stuff it Into the cat until it's loose. Rev the car up and blow out the guts. Still looks like it's got cats but hollow on the inside like a prostitute.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:15 am

Ironfistdog wrote:
I just took the 96 fleetwood in for an inspection. It's got all kinds of stuff wrong. It passed with a ses light on and black smoke pouring out the drivers tail pipe. And an exhaust leak. It failed the first attept for tie rods and the e brake. Fixed them and he re tested and put a sticker on it and this dude fails me for anything he can find everytime I go there. Take the intermediate pipe down take a tire iron and stuff it Into the cat until it's loose. Rev the car up and blow out the guts. Still looks like it's got cats but hollow on the inside like a prostitute.

Im glad theyve changed their un-necessary emissions standards for older cars. I remember trying to get my '87 monte ss to pass, right after I bought it, a number of years ago with a carter carb. needless to say, I ended up paying about $400 for a reman quadrajet. passed no prob the second time around after tuning and testing for two weeks. Now, i dont have to worry about that $h!t. It makes owning cool cars...cheaper...in the long run I think.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:08 am

I remember my Blazer failed the smog test when I first bought it because they had actually changed the emissions requirements for my truck since it was new! How is that possible!?! Then the sketchball place (John's Citgo on the Malden/Reveahh line) charged me 125/150 bucks for "cleaning out throttle body"...the truck was TBI which means that would have taken essentially no effort and I doubt they even took off the air cleaner. But I got a sticker. After that when I needed a sticker, I started dumping about 4 bottles of Heet or Drygas into my truck with the fuel gage almost on "E", took it for a blast up the highway, left it running in the parking lot, and it passed with essentially no emissions problems, lol. Then after that I'd fill up the tank to dilute all the alcohol.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:40 am

I went from 3 LT1 cars to my L03 CC and found it extremely difficult to do. I don't know how the 350 drives, but I constantly missed the power the LT1 had to the point where its up for sale now.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:14 pm

95brmw wrote:
I went from 3 LT1 cars to my L03 CC and found it extremely difficult to do. I don't know how the 350 drives, but I constantly missed the power the LT1 had to the point where its up for sale now.

LO3/LO5 engines are lame when compared to a properly running LT1 or even an L99.

The cylinder heads (especially the intake ports ) are largely to blame.

Also, I don't hate the Opti-Spark enough to abandon my Gen ll - LT1 engines.

But I have several LO5 9C1s that need more power.

Gen 1 SBCs are nice and simple, but the early style distributors (tall-with the std small dist-hole in intake) won't come in and out under the low overhanging windshield ledge.

The stock 91-93 B-body distributor has a large hole in the intake for the special short (low) big diameter distributor to allow R&R procedures.

The Gen 1+ L31 replaced the LO5, and has as much as 350 HP & 350 Lbs/Ft, stock. >note< - The L31 gets it's intake port shape from our LT1 cylinder heads.

1996 G-30 vans got a nice version of the TBI-LO5 with the excellent Vortec (L31) heads on it, but there is still an even better upgrade.

A lot of L31 truck guys have made this marine C.I. intake manifold swap for it's interchangeable injectors and MPFI tuning ease. They are usually OBD ll and have access to a vast array of injectors.

http://www.pacificp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=317

You still have to face the cramped distributor issue, though the tall distributor will work fine when installed, its just nearly impossible to R&R the unit in the car, particularly with the engine in place and the intake manifold still bolted down.

There are several modifications to be made on the marine intake manifold to make this upgrade work, but it is all very doable. Read the rather long [but complete] attached link.

Because the emissions should not be a cause for worry (with the age of these models), and for simplicity's sake, I would bolt on L31 heads and a std 4150 carb intake on it with a nice stout OEM hyd-roller cam and check out some of the low clearance distributors that are made to fit under those roots-blower type intake manifolds.

400 & 500 HP ranges are not out of reach with some of these combinations.

The good thing is that any SBC combo you can think up has very likely been done many times already, and also probably has been covered in detail (with photos) somewhere on the internet by now.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:51 pm

Brian,

Dunno what your price range is, but this car has been at this dealer for about a month or so now. REALLY nice from the quick look I gave it.

http://westernmass.craigslist.org/ctd/2471408906.html
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:32 am

I have owned several TBI cars. I do not like the 305. My favorites were my '92 9c1 and my '92 Roadmaster. I'd say get a Roadmaster.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:05 pm

Roadmaster=ugly. Not my cup of tee. If I were to buy a roadmaster, it would be to swap a boxy body onto the frame/drivetrain. I know there will be disagreements...
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:48 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Roadmaster=ugly. Not my cup of tee. If I were to buy a roadmaster, it would be to swap a boxy body onto the frame/drivetrain. I know there will be disagreements...

And I'm one of em! I like them, a black on black on black with tinted windows and Tim's old hub caps on wide whites would make you look like someone high up in the mob, probably the guy that would "whack" you. Fleetwoods are the mob boss car, too much attention. The Roadie with a soft rumble could sneak up and down streets un-noticed...



...Yeah thats why I'd want one haha. But I do like the old school style front end treatment. I think that it fits the Buick vibe. I wish the wagon had the sedan nose to be honest.
Get rid of the horns! And tint the windows, wide whites, etc.

Perfect cousin to what this is
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:51 pm

1984twodoor wrote:

But I do like the old school style front end treatment. I think that it fits the Buick vibe. I wish the wagon had the sedan nose to be honest.
like this Matt.... Very Happy
nothin a couple hours cant fix.

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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:43 am

I hear you on the whole triple black mob thing. I'm just not into the roadmaster sedan. The wagon version on the other hand is a close favorite. And the fleetwoods, lowered, in triple black with thick white walls is a close second to my passion for the caprice.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:03 am

laidlow91 wrote:
1984twodoor wrote:

But I do like the old school style front end treatment. I think that it fits the Buick vibe. I wish the wagon had the sedan nose to be honest.
like this Matt.... Very Happy
nothin a couple hours cant fix.


See now THATS cool! I feel like they got lazy with the buick wagons. It seems to me that they just created an LTZ version of a caprice wagon ya know? They should have had the sedan nose, then again, sales might have been as dismal as OCCs so maybe it wasn't a bad thing. But I would LOVE to snag a black roadie and do that Idea! Maybe a wagon??

OH and Brian, don't forget your fleetwagon! Arrow
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:38 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
I hear you on the whole triple black mob thing. I'm just not into the roadmaster sedan. The wagon version on the other hand is a close favorite.

Wood or no wood. Because I think I know where there is a TBI woody for sale locally. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:51 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
I hear you on the whole triple black mob thing. I'm just not into the roadmaster sedan. The wagon version on the other hand is a close favorite. And the fleetwoods, lowered, in triple black with thick white walls is a close second to my passion for the caprice.


A Fleetwood aint nothing but an Impala SS in a tuxedo with slick shoes. Once you've driven an LT1 FWB, the caprice ride just doesnt seem so nice anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:31 pm

Something about the RMS body irks me sometimes too but I can never tell what it is, maybe I think they should have used the Cadillac's frame and wheelbase with an extended body! Either way I still like them and think they look tough with SS wheels on them. Will probably try to grab one at some point.

Jack Nicholson agrees.

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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:37 pm

All the B's look good with SS wheels. Especially the FWB. Im not big on vinyl tops. I like naked or "topless" cars Wink

Justin, I like wood, but it would put me in the hole trying to customize and do the type of wood accent I dream of.
I'd remove original wood trim, and get a cherry looking wood air brushed on a pearly white body and surrounded by gloss black powder coated trim.
I understand it would be easier to airbrush it on to a non-woody, but theres the whole stud/trim stuff that would make it more work maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:26 pm

I hate the vinyl tops on the RMS for the record, lol...
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:33 pm

This is the ONLY way you'd get me in to an RMS Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:34 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
This is the ONLY way you'd get me in to an RMS Very Happy

So, you'd take the infamous white t56 RMS? I would!
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:52 pm

In a heart beat.
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PostSubject: Re: Opinions on '91-'93 model caprice    Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:00 pm

Arrow
MASShole9C1 wrote:
In a heart beat.
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