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PostSubject: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:30 pm

Since retired in 2009, this one's gone through something close to an identity crisis. I'm still not fully sure on its direction as time and money always play the key roles in everything we do. New additions to the family play a bigger role as well. Its got the 5.7 with 40 something k new, new rearend(posi) stock 3.08's etc. I'll save you the list of the small things I've done so here are pics...
The day i bought it

After paint

Spotlights, SS grill, and pinstripes added

As of today

Note my "euro plate" from a friend in Jordan



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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:17 pm

Looks good!
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:20 pm

Agreed- it looks sick now and you can always put it back the way it was if you wanted anyway. I'm split on the red stripe but it's really up to what the owner wants to do when it comes to that stuff, people told me to take the blue one off my Caprice but I like it, lol
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:51 pm

Pinstripes are the way to do it with bigger cars and trucks IMO. I like the ss wheels and the new ride height too!
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:14 pm

I tried the stock N97's a little while ago. Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:57 pm

Damn that looks good. I kind of like the N97s with all thats done to it.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:21 am

Thanks guys. The pin stripes will probably stay, just because it was my first time doing it. Atleast until the car gets resprayed. BTW, 5% tint is NOT, legal in Mass. It looked good for a few months until I moved back tho...makes me miss cali. All they care about is smog. Great place to buy 9C1's tho Wink
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:23 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
I tried the stock N97's a little while ago. Thoughts?

Looks REAL mean, but can you handle any road you come upon or just the smooth surfaces?? It just looks like the front end is too low.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:04 am

I really like the transformation.
VERY NICE JOB, Brian!

The N97s would look much improved (imho) with an 8.5" X 15" with 5.0" back space, or at least 8" X 15" .
Thats about the maximum B/S you can get with a steel 15" rim on the front, as it gets too close for comfort with 5.5" .
Tried both on mine and found the 5.5" B/S scrapes the outer tie rod a bit. Stock N97s have 4.5" B/S.
And best of all, there ARE still a few good tire choices to be had NEW in a 275/60R15, [the old "L-60" equivalent]
The problem is, 275/60-15s are too big for the stock 7" rim. 10" X 15" is doable but is not usually recommended. Unless 295/50R15s are used.

What springs are you running? Especially up front, and do you know the rate in lbs/inches? Or are they just cut down stockers?
With THAT much drop, there is the real concern of the upper arm causing a camber change.
That helps pull the tire-top inward away from the wheel-well, giving you more tire clearance, but it is HELL on alignment specs.

Your rear set-up does not look so radical, but as you must already know, you don't want to hurt the rear tire planting.
When the rear arm angles downward as in radical lowering, the resulting instant center geometry will unload your rear upon acceleration.
Solution to that problem is to weld on rear L.C.A. relocation brackets to your axle housing, like those from UMI.

You might try the OEM S10 trim rings, as they don't have the ridge like on the 9C1 trim rings. I can give you the GM part number.
Thats what I've running on my car, and they are a subtle improvement that several people have commented favorably upon.

Also, both thumbs up on the tasteful red pin-stripes!
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:39 am

Thanks again. The front is very low. The air Damn scrapes in my driveway. But that's what I've been wanting. The springs are stock SS with one coil cut in the front. The back is suspension techniques 2" lowering springs. I added 1" wheel spacers to the back to make up for the 9C1 narrow rear. The ride is smoother with N97's rather than SS wheels with stock tire size. The 17's rub on all 4 corners as you could imagine. A wider N97 with that backspacing would look sweet. The steering box is a dog with the 17x8.5's as it is lol. I plan on bringing the front up an inch with isolaters, or just getting new springs all together. I have a whole moog rebuild kit waiting to go in too. The GM part number would be good to have. I started pondering trim rings a few days ago.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:57 pm

There may be some good solutions to the bottoming out issue.
Been doing some information gathering with respect to mounting the largest possible tire/wheel combinations without suffering the problems of interference and bottoming out on my own cars.
There are always truck or limo springs to be cut down, but many ready-made B-body specific choices do exist.

9C1 springs sit higher than civilian Caprices, so cutting them seems pretty good.
The original rate is only 440 lbs/in (both SS & 9C1), so one coil cut down is only up to around 505 lbs/in.
Problem is: you have lost too much installed height @ that resulting rate.

Short [incomplete] list of ready to install alternatives;

Global West #S-81, front @ 750 lbs/in with stock SS Impala installed height. (front ONLY) Linear rate.
Canuck #41200, front @ 690 lbs/in - 1.5" lower than SS, & rear @ 240 lbs/in & 1.5" lower than SS.
Belltech KW #5830, F @ 533 (1.5") & R 272 (1.5") Linear rate.
Hotchkis #1922, Variable rate, F @ 500 initial - 629 final (1.5") R @ 180-224 (1.5")
Vogtland F 1.2" & R 1.2". Unable to get more specifications on them.
Eibach #3837.140 mine are old (made in germany) & have 560 lbs/in up front and I forgot what the rears were.
Rumor has it that they are now made in the USA for the German Co.KW by the excellent manufacturer Belltech.
H&R #50738, (1.6" F) + (1.3" R) . . .
Interesting info from H&R's tech dept. They will NOT state the rates, but do say that the firmness is "aggressive but not like a race car" and that the tight portion of the variable rate coil " remains stacked solid at installed height". This suggests to me that they have addressed the real issue of very firm springs that can fall out of position when the axle/spindle drops all the way down.
Bbodyperformance - Speed Inn, variable rate, but the posted rates are suspect. Phone # was also N.G.
Intrax. No info as yet.
Strano. Re-boxed Eibachs.
Sprint, ST, & Rustic 750-850: however no useful info was gathered yet.
Zack K has softer D/D lowering springs, but says he will never restock his imported auto-X springs again.

The following Moog parts have to be checked for ride height and perhaps cutting down for B-body installations.
Moog # 5664, 707 lbs/in & 1,870 lbs @ 10.75" loaded height (front)
Moog # 7268, 748 lbs/in & 1,888 lbs @ 11.27" loaded height (front)
Moog # 80090, 710 lbs/in & 2,034 lbs @ 11.75" loaded height (front)
Moog # 7172, 1,017 lbs/in & 12.5" free height (front)
Moog # 5660, 639 lbs/in & 10.75" L-H.
Moog # 6381, 198 lbs/in & used in the rear.
The GOOD thing about researching Moog springs is that all important engineering data is easy to locate, so calculations are more predictable.

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:53 pm

I thought about putting my "summer" sprint springs on today.

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:06 pm

boojum wrote:
I thought about putting my "summer" sprint springs on today.

If you know (or can measure) the spring rate (F&R) and the installed height at what applied load, we could add that info to the growing list, in order to provide a useful data-base facilitating a more intelligent spring choice process.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:27 pm

Machine-De-Zine wrote:

If you know (or can measure) the spring rate (F&R) and the installed height at what applied load, we could add that info to the growing list, in order to provide a useful data-base facilitating a more intelligent spring choice process.

I don't have any way to measure short of the installed height, after I install them. Smile Someone posted the info on that other board before the big crash but I didn't save it. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:55 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Thanks again. The front is very low. The air Damn scrapes in my driveway. But that's what I've been wanting. The springs are stock SS with one coil cut in the front. The back is suspension techniques 2" lowering springs. I added 1" wheel spacers to the back to make up for the 9C1 narrow rear. The ride is smoother with N97's rather than SS wheels with stock tire size. The 17's rub on all 4 corners as you could imagine. A wider N97 with that backspacing would look sweet. The steering box is a dog with the 17x8.5's as it is lol. I plan on bringing the front up an inch with isolaters, or just getting new springs all together. I have a whole moog rebuild kit waiting to go in too. The GM part number would be good to have. I started pondering trim rings a few days ago.
What brand of spacer/adaptor did you go with?
The difference between police & SS axle width is actually only about 5/8" per side.
9C1 = 1566mm or 61.65"
SS = 1598mm or 62.91"
Difference is 32mm divided by 2 = 17mm or 0.6693"

Here is a photo of those S10 trim rings I described earlier, GM Paaht Numbah: # 15661034.
The rear is a stock 9C1 axle with OEM N97 wheels. Tires are Dunlop 255/60R15 G/T Qualifiers I think.
On the front I am trial fitting a 295/45ZR18 NT555 on an 18" X 9.5" 58mm ET, with a 2.000" adapter.
Springs are the original 9C1s. The Nitto hits ONLY the Herb Adams sway bar.

If you would like a clearer close-up photo of the S10 trim ring, I can shoot it later and post.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:53 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Thanks again. The front is very low. The air Damn scrapes in my driveway. But that's what I've been wanting. The springs are stock SS with one coil cut in the front. The back is suspension techniques 2" lowering springs. I added 1" wheel spacers to the back to make up for the 9C1 narrow rear. The ride is smoother with N97's rather than SS wheels with stock tire size. The 17's rub on all 4 corners as you could imagine. A wider N97 with that backspacing would look sweet. The steering box is a dog with the 17x8.5's as it is lol. I plan on bringing the front up an inch with isolaters, or just getting new springs all together. I have a whole moog rebuild kit waiting to go in too. The GM part number would be good to have. I started pondering trim rings a few days ago.

Did you say "GM part #" I may be able to help with that.
If the tag is still on the spring (I know, not likely) I can give you a GM number.



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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:24 pm

mikiehews wrote:
MASShole9C1 wrote:
Thanks again. The front is very low. The air Damn scrapes in my driveway. But that's what I've been wanting. The springs are stock SS with one coil cut in the front. The back is suspension techniques 2" lowering springs. I added 1" wheel spacers to the back to make up for the 9C1 narrow rear. The ride is smoother with N97's rather than SS wheels with stock tire size. The 17's rub on all 4 corners as you could imagine. A wider N97 with that backspacing would look sweet. The steering box is a dog with the 17x8.5's as it is lol. I plan on bringing the front up an inch with isolaters, or just getting new springs all together. I have a whole moog rebuild kit waiting to go in too. The GM part number would be good to have. I started pondering trim rings a few days ago.

Did you say "GM part #" I may be able to help with that.
If the tag is still on the spring (I know, not likely) I can give you a GM number.



Thanks, that would be really good to compile a comprehensive list of the multitude of OEM spring letter code tags, cross-referenced to their GM part numbers.
However, I thought he only wanted the part # for the S-10 trim rings, > [GM# 15661034]. So thats why I posted the picture of my white 96 9C1 above.
Getting the part #s for OEM springs is not going to be the bigger problem, its the fact that most haven't been available from GM for some time now.

I have been posting on this tread to address the fact that even the stiffest cut-down OEM front spring (440 lbs/in) will be inadequate, and he will most likely need aftermarket or modified Moog springs to get that RADICALLY LOW, BAD-ASS LOWERED STANCE, without his tires rubbing, or control arms smashing up perfectly good snubbers.

A "ton" of good information exists on the big national forum exploring big wheel & tire combinations on variously lowered bubbles, boxes, Cads, Buicks etc.
It is sad to see so many feel that tires that rub hard is the price you have to pay for achieving a radical lowered car.
With an accurate data-base, we can nail the result in the first try, which could save us from the risk of wasting a ton of money.
Good hub-centric/wheel centric adaptors are often over $300 today.
I would like to see or make a chart that has all the important spring data for all our cars in one place to allow us to correctly choose the best wheels, tires, spacers, adaptors & springs for our different needs or tastes.


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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:39 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Thanks again. The front is very low. The air Damn scrapes in my driveway. But that's what I've been wanting. The springs are stock SS with one coil cut in the front. The back is suspension techniques 2" lowering springs. I added 1" wheel spacers to the back to make up for the 9C1 narrow rear. The ride is smoother with N97's rather than SS wheels with stock tire size. The 17's rub on all 4 corners as you could imagine. A wider N97 with that backspacing would look sweet. The steering box is a dog with the 17x8.5's as it is lol. I plan on bringing the front up an inch with isolaters, or just getting new springs all together. I have a whole moog rebuild kit waiting to go in too. The GM part number would be good to have. I started pondering trim rings a few days ago.

Did you keep the stock 9C1 springs?
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:32 am

I did. But I'm not going to cut them.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:17 pm

I cut my 9C1 springs 1 coil, then I changed my mind and cut another 1/4 coil. I just got it back together several days ago, I'll post pics asap.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:54 pm

Tomz9C1 wrote:
I cut my 9C1 springs 1 coil, then I changed my mind and cut another 1/4 coil. I just got it back together several days ago, I'll post pics asap.
yes, post em. Let's see how it looks. I might grab another set of SS springs (if anyone has a set) for the front, and get something sporty later on. I don't want to wreck the original 9C1 components. Everything still has tags and part numbers on them. If it was a New England car, I wouldn't care as much. I guess I'm kinda anal...about it. Jeez, I even needed the oem vinyl seat for the back. And I got one. Just takes time to get it right.
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PostSubject: @#$%^&*()   Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:30 am

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:43 pm

more better with the ss rims and pin strip
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:58 am

waynes91 wrote:
more better with the ss rims and pin strip
Hey Wayne, Pinstripes will be gone as soon as I get to the body work part of it.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:58 am

Tomz9C1 wrote:
I cut my 9C1 springs 1 coil, then I changed my mind and cut another 1/4 coil. I just got it back together several days ago, I'll post pics asap.

Some things to keep in mind when considering lowering your car using cut down 9C1 vs WX3 springs.
Both are 440 lbs/in.
They are both basically the same coil diameter, wire diameter and number of coils, however the 9C1s are wound at a more "open" helix, giving them a taller initial height.
When cutting down either, (9C1 vs WX3) one full coil, they will both result in the same calculated % increase in rate, as measured in lbs/in.
But, BOTH springs with their new higher rate, will NEVER deliver the same ability to keep you from bottoming out as BEFORE the spring was cut down one coil.
Think of the fact that you still have essentially the same spring, MINUS the "now missing extender coil" on top of it!

Therefore: Ponder this comparison.
Cut a pair of 9C1 springs AND a pair of WX3 springs to deliver the SAME INSTALLED HEIGHT on your car.
The 9C1s will need more cut from them to get down to the same height and more importantly, will do so at a now comparatively HIGHER spring rate in lbs/in.
Putting it another way, choosing a WX3 front spring concedes too much installed height right from the get-go.

Another VERY important thing to consider is the carefully factory selected balance of front rate to rear rates.
The engineers usually refer to this concept as "Flat ride".
The rear natural "bounce frequency needs to be a certain % faster than the front in Hertz.
This vehicle cabin "comfort zone" is usually between .80 and often substantially less than 2.0 full cycles per second, in passenger cars.
[These rates are thought to be based on the walking frequency of humans normalized over 10s of thousands of years of evolution. Turns out, our bodies DON'T LIKE certain frequencies!]
The front suspension hits a rise in the road first, so the rear spring set needs to be a bit faster so that the car settles down level at speed before the dampers quell the oscillations.
You don't want to have "pitch" and "pitch jerk" issues after attempting to "improve your car's ride and stance.

My point?, If you stiffen your front springs, you really should "proportionally stiffen" your rear set of springs.
This is what the sellers of "matched springs" mean when they sell you all four springs for your application, , , , Hopefully!

If you don't want to spend $80.00 on the book below, check out this thread: post #9 sums it up nicely
http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?9086-Wheel-rates-and-ride-frequencies-suggestions

The vehicle Dynamics "bible", for anyone interested in mathematically comprehensive, yet easily understandable explanations (in layman's terms) for all of this good stuff should read the Milliken & Milliken book called Chassis Design, principles and analysis By Maurice Olley (SAE), the father of Vehicle Dynamics and the original cheif of chassis design and development on the Corvette @ GM. (Note)-He is the guy who actually hired Zora Duntov.

Anyway, back to the cut down front spring topic, remove all shocks from the car and bounce the car on each end, and time the frequency in cycles per second.
Compare the front to the back rates to see that the rear bounces a bit faster, like on the order of 1 : 1.2 Hz.
Example: Front is 1.6 Hz X 1.2 = 1.92 Hz for the rear.
I find that the car is NOT too terribly hard to control driven without shocks, if the spring rates are balanced.
After the test drive, I then install shocks "just adequate" to dampen the oscillations.
Any stiffer shocks than that just adds harshness to the ride and actually hurts the car's ability to follow irregularities on the road.
The best shocks are (imho) the ones that are matched to the vehicle and it's intended use, but are the most durable and predictable over time, temperature and wear considerations.

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:46 am

Looks good!
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:02 am

Wow. Who's 9C1 thread is this? Talk about ass'd up. Lol. I guess its my turn anyway:)
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:04 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Wow. Who's 9C1 thread is this? Talk about ass'd up. Lol. I guess its my turn anyway:)

It looks like this thread has devolved into a "Lowering ANYbody's 9C1 with cut-down or aftermarket front springs" thread.

Sorry, but I'll take the blame on this one. However I for one have been re-inspired to ramp up progress my own 9C1 by this thread.

There is a real issue with how to properly get the stance and performance done correctly, considering how central the front springs are to the "new look" of your 9C1 though.

And, I really DO want to see this thread get back on track with the originator's intent of following the car's tasteful & practical transformation into a VERY cool ride.

More photos and tech info to come soon?

Yes?

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:48 pm

Machine-De-Zine wrote:
MASShole9C1 wrote:
Wow. Who's 9C1 thread is this? Talk about ass'd up. Lol. I guess its my turn anyway:)

It looks like this thread has devolved into a "Lowering ANYbody's 9C1 with cut-down or aftermarket front springs" thread.

Sorry, but I'll take the blame on this one. However I for one have been re-inspired to ramp up progress my own 9C1 by this thread.

There is a real issue with how to properly get the stance and performance done correctly, considering how central the front springs are to the "new look" of your 9C1 though.

And, I really DO want to see this thread get back on track with the originator's intent of following the car's tasteful & practical transformation into a VERY cool ride.

More photos and tech info to come soon?

Yes?

Yea, there will be more to come. Some time from now. I'd like to get different springs for the front as I mentioned before. Cutting the SS springs was a mistake I think. I will need new bump stops. There isn't a whole lot of tech to talk unless swapping the left and right 9C1 air dam pieces with civi ones is cool. The guy that was doing the work on my SS trunk lid is dicking me around, who woulda thought right. The project has run out of money until well after I start my new job on the 31st and the baby comes in September. The car did win a trophy last weekend, so that's some motivation to continue with it. I'd like to sell my 95, but just tire kickers and no shows...
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:45 pm

Ok, here's some more pics to entertain and discuss future plans.
At the car show in waltham a week ago

Whos boxy is that??? Wink You can see that my 96 leans to the left,with the pass rear in the air. Im sure it was like this before with stock 9c1 springs. Is this a common problem? Ive seen others driving around like that.

Since adding the overzealous 1" wheels spacers to the back, Im gonna go with the 5/8 suggested previously in the thread. Today I removed the wheel well trim x4 and removed the spacers. In the future, id like to have the wheel wells reworked and welded up. i think Crovo had that done to the DCM SS he just sold. Heres how it looks for now, any ideas?




Not sure if you can tell the difference in the rear, itll look like any other.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:02 pm

Looks great dude lol!
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:58 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Ok, here's some more pics to entertain and discuss future plans.
At the car show in waltham a week ago


Since adding the overzealous 1" wheels spacers to the back, Im gonna go with the 5/8 suggested previously in the thread. Today I removed the wheel well trim x4 and removed the spacers. In the future, id like to have the wheel wells reworked and welded up. i think Crovo had that done to the DCM SS he just sold. Heres how it looks for now, any ideas?



Not sure if you can tell the difference in the rear, itll look like any other.

I like it.
As far as 5/8" spacers, I assume you mean adaptors, because you would need very long axle studs to get that done, AND, I strongly advise against using that much spacer depth.
Its just begging for a failure.
Adaptors less than 1.250" are also getting kind of weak, due to a lack of material to constitute a reliable wheel attachment.
I think that once you have to shorten the already short OEM wheel studs to clear the new wheel, you are asking for trouble.
If you get the car up on jack stands so that the axles go into full droop, pull out the rear sway bar and springs, then use a floor jack to manipulate the rear axle throughout ALL of it's possible motions up & down as well as extreme lean, then you will know how close the tires will get to the frame or wheel lip moldings. That method always worked for me.
There are also extended rear control arms to gain a better rear tire/wheel placement.

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:49 pm

Since I sold Tim my first OCC grill, I felt like I missed out on something. Now that weve established that Im not doing a clone, it appears that subconsciously, Im trying to mend all the B bodies together in to one lol Cool I went back to the same yard and grabbed the last OCC grill. Thanks to Indigo, its filled and painted beautifully. My shaved SS trunklid should be done at the body shop this week too bounce . Im also thinking about removing the red pinstripes I put on in 2009. What do you think?
Without pinstripes(windows paint)...

New OCC grill...

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:38 pm

Arrow I like it! Hopefully the trunk lid will be on there next time I see it.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:15 pm

Much as I LOVE an all black B-Body, I think you lose your unique style when you lose the stripes.
I'll be interested to see what you decide.

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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:39 pm

I agree with you. I like it, that's why I put them on. I've heard a few times that it doesn't look good. So it got me thinking. I enjoy being different, so I've got a few ideas on deck to keep my black and red theme.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:20 pm

I like the stripes, they lets us know it's you Arrow
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:21 pm

Yeah. It's kinda like my Indian war paint I guess lol.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:18 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Yeah. It's kinda like my Indian war paint I guess lol.

Also helps people see it isn't an SS. Which was more important when you ran the SS grill, but still helps to show the difference. Plus, any classy oldsmobile would have had stripes!
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:24 pm

Looking good love the Olds grill!!! I like the pin stripes too, maybe I'm being a bit biased lol.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:47 pm

Thanks Matt. Tim its almost like they are sisters. I'd buy your car from you, but I've got tranny problems of my own. I'm actually swapping them tm.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:18 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Thanks Matt. Tim its almost like they are sisters. I'd buy your car from you, but I've got tranny problems of my own. I'm actually swapping them tm.

The 9C1 or the LDM Money pit?
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:35 pm

Essentially, aren't they all money pits in some way or another?
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:54 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Essentially, aren't they all money pits in some way or another?

yeah but some are fun money pits and some are bitchy money pits. Judging off of how that car treated you last year, it would have to be one of those bitchy money pits!

There are also the kind that run great and then have a problem that bights you right in the ass! Like cracked intake manifolds on 4.6L fords Like a Star @ heaven
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:30 am

Seems everyone has my cars mixed up. The tan non police package had the no start ignition problem-fixed

the black police package is getting the re manned tranny swapped out because it shit the bed on me 4 weeks ago. I can still drive it. I got a low mileage replacement going in tomorrow/today/this morning actually.

Either car is a love/hate. Im sure you understand Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:39 am

MASShole9C1 wrote:
Seems everyone has my cars mixed up. The tan non police package had the no start ignition problem-fixed

the black police package is getting the re manned tranny swapped out because it shit the bed on me 4 weeks ago. I can still drive it. I got a low mileage replacement going in tomorrow/today/this morning actually.

Either car is a love/hate. Im sure you understand Smile

I didn't have them mixed up, I just had no idea about the 9C1s tranny issues. I just figured since the L99 car gave you so many issues in the past that it had the tranny issues. I'm sure you can see why I would think that, mostly because I've never seen a post about you having an issue with the 9C1.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:13 pm

OK. None the less, the trans was replaced today with flying colors and in the pouring rain/thunder and lightning. Jack stands and 3 floor jacks to replace the functionality of a trans jack that was not obtainable at the time. Thanks for all of your help Indigo. I owe you big time for the trans and hard work.
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:28 pm

MASShole9C1 wrote:
OK. None the less, the trans was replaced today with flying colors and in the pouring rain/thunder and lightning. Jack stands and 3 floor jacks to replace the functionality of a trans jack that was not obtainable at the time. Thanks for all of your help Indigo. I owe you big time for the trans and hard work.

That shows you who on this forum doesn't f*&k around! Good work guys!
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PostSubject: Re: The SSheriff (1996 9C1)   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:32 pm

And on that note Matt. Im willing to do the favor for anyone else thats ready to get the job done. We found a day and time that worked and we did the job. It sucked, but we got it done with no problems.
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