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PostSubject: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:34 am

What was the stuff used instead of POR 15? I can't find it in the search, i think Al used it on his car. Rustoleum maybe? I'm getting ready to do a frame.
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:55 am

Sem Rust Shield. I actually just pm'd him about it the other day. Mix it 4:1 with enamel hardener.
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:38 pm

SEM products! they make a black paint thats real durable and thin so it gets where you need it to, bottom of doors and quarters.
comes in all finishes and lays down smooth, if your good enough. no texture or greasy look.

Its what Al used and i also highly recommend it as well........

you can get it at any body supply store and select parts stores...

and do not get it on you! , takes weeks to remove, wear shitty clothes and gloves !
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:41 pm

bowtiepimp wrote:


and do not get it on you! , takes weeks to remove, wear shitty clothes and gloves !

I'm considering one of those disposable jumpsuits when I do the wagon Laughing

I'd look like the Staypuff Marshmallow thou:

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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:45 pm

really not a bad idea.... maybe $10 a suit, and you should be able to get a few uses out of it......


............ unless your painting like your still in kindergar......... sorry didnt mean to insult you my "special" buddy Razz
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:48 pm

bowtiepimp wrote:
really not a bad idea.... maybe $10 a suit, and you should be able to get a few uses out of it......


............ unless your painting like your still in kindergar......... sorry didnt mean to insult you my "special" buddy Razz

MY TEACHER SAID MY FINGERPAINTING WAS GETTING BETTER, I ONLY WENT OF THE PAPER ONCE!

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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:49 pm

I have the frame already setting on wooden saw horses, so its waist high. I got some suits like that from the EMS chief just for that reason!
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:53 pm

No Moa wrote:
I have the frame already setting on wooden saw horses, so its waist high. I got some suits like that from the EMS chief just for that reason!


so your all set then.......

you can get it in rattle bomb or by pints / quarts......

....... i would go with the pint/ quart & brush cause you can cover better with it ( thinner where it needs to be and thicker where you want it) and you can pour it on heavy in the hard to reach areas.

..... Arrow
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:54 pm

Sorry to hijack Glen's thread but...

How much do you think it would take to do the frame and floors of the wagon? Also, how many coats of this stuff do you need?
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:04 pm

this stuff goes over rust or do you have to sand blast first? no knowledge of rust tretment what so ever. Question Question Question
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:49 pm

I think it goes right over rust. I honestly would never use POR 15 for anything, I've heard good things about this product, and the PM Master Series primer I used on my rear axle and u bolts held up well over the winter as well.




Those pics were from before this winter. Rust only formed slightly in the brush strokes where I single coated the u-bolts in a hurry, and it didn't travel past the brush stroke itself, kinda funny
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:31 pm

Ironfistdog wrote:
this stuff goes over rust or do you have to sand blast first? no knowledge of rust tretment what so ever. Question Question Question

You can put things over rust, but it'll be back.
POR15 will only cover for a year.
This product has got more of a following.
If you remove as much as possible (sandblasting is king) then use it per instructions, your good for a while.

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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:44 pm

yeah i was planning on removing anyway...i'm gonna pull the body off the DGGM car and use that frame as a starting point to rebuild this white one. i work at a steel mill, the 2nd building has 3 paint booths that fit tractor trailor flatbeds (we make pressure vessels that get towed by trailor trucks) and they also have an enormous sandblaster at least 60' long. guys said all i gotta do i ask the boss over there to use it and if its empty i can do pretty much what i want. if not there im gonna blast it in the yard.... ok enough hi-jacking Laughing pirat Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:09 pm

sdstick wrote:



POR15 will only cover for a year.


I've had it longer that 3 on my truck. I just wanted totry something else. Seeing as I'm sandblasting, it won't matter what I use
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:14 pm

But was it slapped over rust or did you sand blast that too?
When I did a hurray-up job on my old 95 (when the tank was out) it didnt last.

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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:15 pm

Did not blast it, did clean it good though.
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:18 pm

Guess that must've been my problem.
Under the car in 95 degree weather at 1st,
then a downpour while I was laying in the drainage path.
I DO remember I was black for 2 weeks
Chris was right about gloves

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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:27 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
Sorry to hijack Glen's thread but...

How much do you think it would take to do the frame and floors of the wagon? Also, how many coats of this stuff do you need?



... goes on thin, ( if using the quart and brush method. recommended method.)

...... its kinda of watery, so it runs easy and makes a mess if your sloppy

........ the amount of coats is up to you..... if no prep to metal it will take more coats and thicker application,
but if your sandblasting or whatever it will cover great.

...... its definitely worth picking up and trying it out...... and it will last just a long as por if done correct.

remember to cover everything 100%, one little untreated spot or pinhole will cause headaches later on.....
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:28 pm

would you say like 4 quarts is enough to get a couple coats on the car?
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:35 pm

i used this stuff, been 3 yrs still holding up
http://www.rustbullet.com/
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:36 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
would you say like 4 quarts is enough to get a couple coats on the car?



..... 2 Quarts should be enough....... it spreads evenly and covers really good but it doesnt hurt to have a little extra


buy 2 and just make sure they'll have some in stock if you need to get more....


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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:42 pm

bowtiepimp wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
would you say like 4 quarts is enough to get a couple coats on the car?



..... 2 Quarts should be enough....... it spreads evenly and covers really good but it doesnt hurt to have a little extra


buy 2 and just make sure they'll have some in stock if you need to get more....



Id have to special order it from the place that sells SEM near me. I may say F it and buy a gallon since my father wants to do part of his truck too.
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:59 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
bowtiepimp wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
would you say like 4 quarts is enough to get a couple coats on the car?



..... 2 Quarts should be enough....... it spreads evenly and covers really good but it doesnt hurt to have a little extra


buy 2 and just make sure they'll have some in stock if you need to get more....



Id have to special order it from the place that sells SEM near me. I may say F it and buy a gallon since my father wants to do part of his truck too.


might as well , you'll find all kind of use's for it....
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:50 am

I used a gallon of SEM on the front of my car after I sandblasted it.

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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:08 pm

One more question (last one I swear!) Would this stuff be safe to brush inside the spare tire well and the wheelwells?
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
One more question (last one I swear!) Would this stuff be safe to brush inside the spare tire well and the wheelwells?

.... again yes......... the stuff is really thin, but durable ....... hell pull all your door panels and paint behind them if you want

Ive poured a little in to each quarter panel and brushed it even to help protect in that wonderful rust prone spot.

Its also great for touching up exposed rusty screw / bolt heads.
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:13 am

i dont know if its any good but they make a rust nutralizer, dont know if poor 15 is the same but the stuff goes on white and tuurns black when dry. They say it turns the rust into primer
http://www.eastwood.com/rust-solutions/treatment.html?srccode=ga110050&gclid=CIbhp6KIiqgCFcPd4AodWDCxDQ
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:36 pm

mega wrote:
i dont know if its any good but they make a rust nutralizer, dont know if poor 15 is the same but the stuff goes on white and tuurns black when dry. They say it turns the rust into primer
http://www.eastwood.com/rust-solutions/treatment.html?srccode=ga110050&gclid=CIbhp6KIiqgCFcPd4AodWDCxDQ



...... do they have a formula that turns water into gas?.......
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PostSubject: Re: The NON POR 15 stuff   Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:19 pm

Rustolium has a rust converter. Its just like the other product that was described as thin and runny. It goes on white and dries dark. It turns the rust into a black paintable surface. You paint it on after you scrape all the loose crap off. I used it recently on a rusty tin metal ceiling before painting it black.
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