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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:45 pm

Return the MSD wires, as I've said numerous times before on here, they are literally shit in my personal opinion. The boots don't stay on the plugs and they fall off the wires too! Esp for a TBI distributor type application...

Those blue Napa Belden wires are probably a cheaper and better!

Don't freak out, you are like 90 percent done kehd.  Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:56 pm

How did the tool get stuck in the crank?

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:21 pm

Bull wrote:
How did the tool get stuck in the crank?


I have no idea. I was using the tool per the instructions and now the part that goes into the crank is stuck. So I have to hope I can get the balancer off with it in there, get some vice grips on it and get it out, or drill out the thing and be out $45 to Autozone.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:18 pm

Post some pics of the tool, and how it is stuck. Maybe we can figure it out with you.

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:22 pm

Tool is the one on the left. Those threaded socket like pieces thread into the crank then the actual tool goes on top and you slowly hand tighten the balancer on.

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:46 pm

And this is the piece that's stuck, It's on the crank threads and it's just on so tight I can't back it off.

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:54 pm

Does it thread in, or is it just sit in a hole?

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:00 pm

IMPALADAKID wrote:
Does it thread in, or is it just sit in a hole?

Threads into the crank in place of the balancer retainer bolt.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:18 pm

Don't panic yet.

Give it a couple a taps with a brass hammer or drift, then grab the outside of it with some needle nose
Vise-grips (possibly using a screwdriver through the jaws for turning leverage).   elephant


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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:19 pm

Try a pair of needle nose vise grips, clamp on the whole thing, and use a pair of channel locks to turn it out. If that does not work because it slides off, try putting it so it grips the thread, and out side, and try to turn it out.

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:20 pm

IMPALADAKID wrote:
Try a pair of needle nose vise grips, clamp on the whole thing, and use a pair of channel locks to turn it out. If that does not work because it slides off, try putting it so it grips the thread, and out side, and try to turn it out.

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:54 pm

Ideas so far are good.

This might be a rare instance where a Gator-Grip style socket would work. Fit it over the tool and then hit it with an impact to break it loose.

There are other creative things to try as well, but I'd say you're going to be okay. When do you usually have time to work on the car?
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:23 pm

I have all day tomorrow, saturday and sunday. Mostly since my only plan was to get the exhaust installed and wash the wagon. But since its still stuck in my garage...  Rolling Eyes 
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:16 pm

So, nothing seems to be damaged? You just can't get any leverage on the smooth tool to turn it out? Are you willing to damage the tool to get it out of there or is that an absolute "last course" measure?
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:17 am

The part that is stuck in there is male end one side female on the other. The male end is threaded into the crank snout and the female end is flush if not shorter than the face of the balancer. There is no way to get anything to grip it (unless you used needle nosed vice grips as stated above).

I headed over there this afternoon to grab some rims and give a hand. We tried threading a bolt into the female end with a nut on it to dead lock the tool to the bolt but it just kept coming free.

We also tried using a puller to remove the balancer again to gain access but something was up because it didn't "feel" right as I started to tighten the puller so I stopped before something bad happened.

I suggested a little loctite on the end of the bolt and some vibration to try and crack it loose.

I also suggested threading in a bolt and tack welding it to the tool and then cut the weld later.

This little bastard is in there. And I have NO idea WHY! It should come right out.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:26 am

Might be time for a left-hand drill bit.

The strongest Loctite to keep a bolt threaded into the female end also sounds good.

Gator Grip sockets are crap, but if one could fit over that then it might grab it enough to loosen it.

Someone above suggested a drift I believe. I'd also be inclined to try that. Cut a slot on the edge of the tool to give the punch/drift something to bite into and give it a good whack with a hammer.

Welding idea also good.

My projects always have stupid shit like this hanging me up; there is usually a way out.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:24 am

That totally blows, Justin. Maybe try some heat, in addition to the vice grips and shock/hammer?

I never knew that tool existed. I always just used a longer bolt and spacers to pull it in.

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:10 am

I don't know if this would help, but there is a new WD40 product called "Specialist" or something that I have used and it worked good on unsticking stuck items like this.  The issue is I would not want you to get it all over the outside of the tool and make it too slippery to grab with some vise grips or something.

Good luck with it dude


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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:15 am

Thanks guys. I'm heading to Ace today to get some needle nose vice grips and red loctite. I'm just so pissed. I'm half tempted to just destroy the fucking thing with an easy out and just cutting my losses on bringing the tool back. Cheaper than a new crank, or a rethread.

It's what I get for going out and renting what I thought was the right tool for the job. And now that I've seen what those single bolt installers look like, that seems like what I should have gotten.  No 
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:19 am

The one he rented i have never seen before.

Mine looks like this:



It's a one piece threaded rod the nut goes on and then the bearing. You thread the rodinto the crank and push the bearing up against jeans then tighten the nut to press the balancer back on.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:23 am

Glad it's not just me:

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Neck-OEM-27144-Installer/product-reviews/B0006307YU/ref=sr_1_8_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:52 am

Just destroy it and return it. I rented a front end service kit for my truck, pitman arm puller was broken. So did everything else, returned the kit, told the guy at the counter that the tool was broken. He didn't even look in the case, and handed me another kit. Got home, another tool in the kit was busted. REALLY?
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:11 am

Oh, I'm probably going to destroy it. Even just out of spite.  Laughing 

Also, i thought about heating it but I don't want to screw up the crank seal right behind it.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:33 pm

Vice grips didn't pan out. Torqued them down and all they did was spin on the bolt.  Shocked 

Emailed A-zone about what has happened. They took all my contact info, store info, etc. And will apparently get back to me. Doubtful, but the fact they actually replied might mean something.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:14 pm

I vote for pulling the balancer back off and getting a better grip on it.
Just don't use that kit to put it back in! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:10 pm

So all sources point to me being fucked.

Heat didnt work.
Vice grips didn't work.
Loctite didn't work.
Two bolt trick didn't work.
Nor can I get the balancer BACK off as it's hanging on this part.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:22 pm

I don't see how it's hung up. The woodruff key sticks out of the crank and the balancer is slotted. It should slide completely over that tool since you would have put the part in first before adding the balancer on.

It's gonna be super tight to pull back off.

Either that or go get a $12 roll of flux wire and weld the shit out of it.

Maybe I'll take a trip with the family and my tools this weekend if you don't get it sorted by tomorrow afternoon.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:20 pm

Not sure how big this thing is, but something like this might do the trick:
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-pc-damaged-bolt-nut-remover-set-low/p-00952166000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

Worked for me to get a rounded off and rusted oil pan plug out. Don't bother using a ratchet, go at it with an impact gun.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:48 pm

95brmw wrote:
Not sure how big this thing is, but something like this might do the trick:
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-pc-damaged-bolt-nut-remover-set-low/p-00952166000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

Worked for me to get a rounded off and rusted oil pan plug out.  Don't bother using a ratchet, go at it with an impact gun.

I just came home from work and my father goes "Hey I think Craftsman makes a bolt puller"  Laughing 

Going to go to the mall and see if they have these today. It's a 7/16 bolt so it should work.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:02 pm

Well that was a waste of $27. They can't grip the bit. Running out of options here. So much for wagonfest this month it looks.  Surprised 
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:15 pm

What are you doing tomorrow? Available for another visit?
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:11 pm

Wow... If it weren't for bad luck, Justin...  

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:19 am

Prediction: With Indy's help, the Cadet is going to have a good day today.

Tom
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:53 am

silverfox103 wrote:
Prediction:  With Indy's help, the Cadet is going to have a good day today.

Tom

He'll find a locked garage and no one home.  Laughing 

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:06 pm

Lets go back to pulling the balancer. From the pic above how is it getting hung up? It looks like there's a lot of space between the puller's part and the balancer itself. Did you try hitting the balancer with a torch to help it off?
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:37 pm

My father just sent me this, I guess my parents got home early and he was bored.  Laughing 



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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:50 pm

What did I tell you!
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:37 pm

Now clean up the snout the key & the inside of the balancer
Put the MF'r on like everyone else in the world
Damn this thread frustrated the shyt out of me
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:23 pm

Might want to turn your speakers down.  Twisted Evil 

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:14 pm

Aaaaa....I feel MUCH better now

Congrats.. cheers 


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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:33 pm

Wow, that sounds pretty mean!
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:57 am

Thanks guys. Very pleased. Started on the 2nd attempt, 1st time the dizzy was off a bit. No CEL's at all. No leaks either. I need to adjust the timing a bit more for the new tune as it backfires a bit in drive, but the stock tune moves the car just fine. It'll be at the exhaust shop Wednesday. Hard part is over, just little BS stuff left, need to reinstall the a/c, rad shroud, air box. But It's a driver again.  cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:50 pm

Cadet57 wrote:
...... Hard part is over, just little BS stuff left...... 

Did anyone else flashback & chuckle when reading this?.. Cool 

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:14 pm

sdstick wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
...... Hard part is over, just little BS stuff left...... 

Did anyone else flashback & chuckle when reading this?.. Cool 

No, but I did cry a little.
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:53 am

Where's the open header drive by video?  Razz 
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:32 pm

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Where's the open header drive by video?  Razz 

As soon as it stops backfiring and sounding like Detroit in my driveway.  Rolling Eyes Laughing 
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:35 pm

Picked up the wagon Friday from the exhaust shop. I am a very happy camper. A *touch* too quiet. But great sound. No drone on the highway. New tune really helps the bigger cam. No leaks from what I can see. Only thing I need to do is charge the AC and put some more ultra black on the T-stat housing.

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:24 pm

Now you have a hot rod wagon. cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:47 pm

Nice kehd! I'm assuming you got that hitch receiver in FL...lol.

I think a touch too quiet is good...because when it's real loud, it's cool for a couple days then makes you want to throw up! I prefer a sound over noise...lol

Can't wait to see how it turned out
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PostSubject: Re: My Wagon Project Thread (Again...)   Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:53 pm

Sorta, it came from a FL car. In upstate NY  Laughing 

Yeah, the sound is perfect. And I'd definitely rather too quiet than too loud. Especially if I'm driving to Wagon Fest or Daytona lol.
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