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Pooge



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PostSubject: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:38 am

Not that Im done with the LS swap yet (almost, I swear), but this comment made me think of something I have been considering for a while...

Matt Trakker wrote:


I wonder what MPG a Cummins 4bt would make in a Caprice...

Ever since I saw this...I have been trying to figure out a way to do it in a Caprice or Impala.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/y7FT4z4U8Xw

Ask Al how much room there is in the bay of my LS swap, I bet I can fit a 6BT without too much trouble and get away from most of the vibration issues the 4BT has.

I will need a free (or damn near) car to try it on. Pretty sure I know where I can get at least a "core" 6BT for next to nothing to do test fits with, and I have a buddy who is a very high end welder. So as long as I have a car I don't mind hacking up (I have put word in with the junkyard up the road to call me if one comes in), I have some plans for a spring project...

Doug

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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:42 am

Hey Glen, you listening? Wink

That'd be a pretty kickass project! (It'd HAVE to be a wagon, though!)

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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:43 am

A guy on Longroof did a Durmax swap into a couple wagons. From what i've read on his conversions, its not easy, the engine doesnt clear as it it sits above the hood line and there are some other issues to contend with. Still a pretty cool swap thou.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:45 am

I think Bill had used the old 6.2's and 6.5's, not the Duramax engines...

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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:46 am

toomanytoyz wrote:
I think Bill had used the old 6.2's and 6.5's, not the Duramax engines...

Hmm, maybe you're right, I could be mixing it up. Swore it was a Duramax. Either way, I do recall the battles he had to get them in there.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:35 am

It should be noted that I would not even bother trying this if I was not totally addicted to the smell of burning diesel and the rediculous TQ that they produce.

No doubt this would be a lot of work, which is why I want to get a near free car (preferably without motor already) and use a "core" motor to try it out. That way I am out next to nothing if it doesn't work.

Justin - Hood clearance is the LAST thing I am going to worry about on this swap. If I can get it to "fit" I will figure that out then. Seeing it done on that CV makes me think it could easily be done on a Caprice.


I know guys with BUILT 6BT motors getting 20+ MPG on lifted Dodge trucks that weight a ton more than our cars... just imagine the possibilities! A 4BT would get 30+ mpg I'm sure, but they rattle like the dickens, so not worth the trouble, plus, they are harder to find, and why have 4 if you can have 6!

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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:39 am

Pooge wrote:


Justin - Hood clearance is the LAST thing I am going to worry about on this swap. If I can get it to "fit" I will figure that out then. Seeing it done on that CV makes me think it could easily be done on a Caprice.


Doug

Oh I get that. Its like your LS build, the alernator clearing was the least of the issues compared to just getting the motor in and working. Plus now that its been done before there is at least a good base to get going thus you wont spend a ton of time on something if you get hung up somewhere. Plus like I said, a diesel caprice would be totally BA.

Then again, I've never built a car so I can only speculate... ok fine, talk out of my ass. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:06 pm

Finally! A subject I can sink my teeth in to. I would love to get my hands on a 91-93 wagon for a 6.5 or duramax conversion. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:26 pm

I'm probably one of the biggest novices here and I've been thinking for a few years how awesome something like this would be. Just like what's commented in that vid of the 4bt in the Vic by the owner the car gets 40 MPG, tows whatever he wants, and has a ton of room. How awesome is that?

Side note, if the intake gaskets ever go on my Caprice, the 305 is coming out for something else rather than being repaired, methinks. Hmmm...

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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:32 am

I'd Like to find an old diesel caprice box wagon and drop in an older 6.2/6.5 or a cummins. I like the idea of a Cummins though!
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:20 am

i know a guy out here whos basically a bag of dust (if he isnt dead already) he has a whole yard full of caprices, i bought a 87 brougham LS off him and go by there every couple months to see the stuff. he has 2 more 4 door boxes, i think a regular wagon with a 307 and a light blue diesel one for sale... each one hes asking like $300-$500 There was also a midnight blue 1991 with dark leather interior and 73k miles for sale. like i said he couldve died by now didnt look so hot last time i saw him, but the guys yard is full of caprice, crown vic and all kinds of stuff. if anyone is interested i can PM info, i'd even be willing to go for a drive up there with them.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:01 am

So how much is that 91? Laughing If its an LTZ, id pretty much die.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:03 pm

toomanytoyz wrote:
Hey Glen, you listening? Wink


Always.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:04 pm

Pooge wrote:
Not that Im done with the LS swap yet (almost, I swear), but this comment made me think of something I have been considering for a while...

Matt Trakker wrote:


I wonder what MPG a Cummins 4bt would make in a Caprice...

Ever since I saw this...I have been trying to figure out a way to do it in a Caprice or Impala.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/y7FT4z4U8Xw

Ask Al how much room there is in the bay of my LS swap, I bet I can fit a 6BT without too much trouble and get away from most of the vibration issues the 4BT has.

I will need a free (or damn near) car to try it on. Pretty sure I know where I can get at least a "core" 6BT for next to nothing to do test fits with, and I have a buddy who is a very high end welder. So as long as I have a car I don't mind hacking up (I have put word in with the junkyard up the road to call me if one comes in), I have some plans for a spring project...

Doug

When you are ready for a car, let me know.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:44 pm

Info on the 91? Wink

Can we derail this thread any further? Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:34 pm

As soon as Tim leaves with this interior I'm gonna head out that way, I'll look to see if he stoll has them all, I'll even take a pic and post them when I get home.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:44 pm

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My vote is for the Navistar DT466E, strong & plentiful, and will keep me out of Caterpillar's price constraints, or should I say "cost insanity".

But HEY, I AM a sick puppy, because I freely admit to actually measuring in earnest, the Detroit Diesel Series 60 engines that I work on at my job, for possible fitment to my 1990 GMC V3500!

For a better fit, the Detroit Series 50 chunk is a lot shorter, minus 2 cylinders, but has WAY too much pulse vibration (4 stroke & 4 cylinders).

Does anybody have an old rebuildable Detroit Diesel 12 V71 two stroke just laying around? THAT is worth doing just for how it would SOUND!, , , , YIKES!

I don't like the Izuzu-DuraMax (Japanese) engines, because after having had to rebuild them, I find that they are not built "rebuildable" like Cat, DD, Cummins, Mack etc.
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OH, you said derail, but I thought you said diesel, sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:24 pm

toomanytoyz wrote:
Info on the 91? Wink

Can we derail this thread any further? Razz

NO, you stay away! You have enough cars Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:30 pm

Machine-De-Zine wrote:
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My vote is for the Navistar DT466E, strong & plentiful, and will keep me out of Caterpillar's price constraints, or should I say "cost insanity".

But HEY, I AM a sick puppy, because I freely admit to actually measuring in earnest, the Detroit Diesel Series 60 engines that I work on at my job, for possible fitment to my 1990 GMC V3500!

For a better fit, the Detroit Series 50 chunk is a lot shorter, minus 2 cylinders, but has WAY too much pulse vibration (4 stroke & 4 cylinders).

Does anybody have an old rebuildable Detroit Diesel 12 V71 two stroke just laying around? THAT is worth doing just for how it would SOUND!, , , , YIKES!

I don't like the Izuzu-DuraMax (Japanese) engines, because after having had to rebuild them, I find that they are not built "rebuildable" like Cat, DD, Cummins, Mack etc.
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OH, you said derail, but I thought you said diesel, sorry.
Those series 60 N3's are something else when it comes to tuning the valves and injectors. I love the sound of the jakes tho. Imagine stuffing an ism/x in something like a caprice. It's impossible but...
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:34 pm

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With this much torque, just exactly WHO is going to STOP me! LOL.

Not to worry though, I have WAY too many projects unfinished already.

I was just Stirring up some of the old Toro-Kah-Kah!

Detroit Diesel for 2001 DDEC specification.
SERIES 60 858 C.I.D. I-6 5.25" bore x 6.62 stroke 16:1 C.R. 575 HP & 1850 Tq @ 2100 RPMs
57"long x 36"wide x 50"high. A feather weight @ a mere 2,600 lbs!

D.D. Series 50 is an I-4 @ 572 C.I.D. Basically 2/3rds of the Series 60.

Cummins QST30 1200 HP & 3700 Lbs/Ft Tq HD construction specifications
I never worked on the Cummins engines. Only Mack, D/D, Cat, Mercedes & International. (oh, & Isuzu-DuraMax)

If they can put a Rolls Royce Merlin into a pickup truck, then an ISX15 will shoe-horn into the B-Body, B is for "BIG", right? Think like Jay Leno!

2010 ISX15 replaces the 2007 ISM. 455-600 HP & 1750-1850 lbs/ft Tq @ 1200 RPMs Dry weight 2,965 lbs Max RPM Gov.@ 2100
2010 ISB6.7 360 HP & 800 lbs/ft Tq @ 2,800 RPMs dry weight 1,151 lbs Max RPM Gov.@ 2,800 Inline 6


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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:33 pm

anyone interested in that 91 or the others i was talking about check out the thread: Mohawk Mayhem
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Ironfistdog wrote:
anyone interested in that 91 or the others i was talking about check out the thread: Mohawk Mayhem

I see no thread! It's all lies! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Just some food for thought...   Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:55 pm

its up now, i had to type it Razz Razz
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