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 So do you feel safe in a crash?

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sdstick



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PostSubject: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:39 pm

You always hear the ol " I want a full frame & alot of metal around me" line
Check this out. Hours of viewing for your enjoyment
http://www.iihs.org/webvideo_index.html#
Check out the: 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air and 2009 Chevrolet Malibu in 40 mph frontal offset crash test

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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:52 pm

cars from the 50's and earlier are not safe my 55 came with no seat belts , none collapsible steering column,
single line master cylinder,full metal dash,wrapped metal visors. they should have tested a 74 caprice they were tanks
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:08 pm

I have never bought into the "full frame is safer" idea. I'm a fireman, I see tons of accidents yearly and it is absolutely amazing some of the accidents I have seen people walk away from in a new vehicle.

I have never been one to fight technology, these companies spend billions of dollars finding the safest ways to usher us from one spot to the other. If I was to purchase a vehicle simply from a safety standpoint I would take a new unibody over any full-frame vehicle, hands down. I have seen a volvo completely destroyed all around, but with a nearly unaffected passenger cabin, it was incredible.

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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:23 pm

I agree that more metal doesnt equal safer. But i'll tell ya what. I'd rather have been rear ended in my Caprice than my VW. Probably wouldn't have a f**ked up knee and back to show for it.
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:43 pm

I think Doug hit the nail on the head.
It wasnt so much what happened to the 59 but more what DIDNT happen to the Malibu
At least we know the engineers were paying attention to SOMETHING....lol

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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:47 pm

I truly feel safer in my HHR, than my Caprice. After seeing that video a year ago, I no longer buy into the full frame safer crap. I have even seen video of the Smart Car in a 35mph crash, and the passenger compartment whent untouched for the most part.
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:07 pm

I agree, for the most part, newer vehicles do protect the driver better, but sometimes it's hard to beat physics. Even see a 90's Suburban hit a Toyota Corolla? NASTY! The vehicle with more weight, and or speed transfers more of it's energy to the other vehicle. Where that really works against you is when you hit an unmoveable object, like a big tree, or rock, in your 6000 lb SUV. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:35 pm

Hit a unibody with a frieght train and see who wins. The physics are unchanging. And when you're looking at cars from the 50's realize that almost all fatalities were caused by drivers impacting the steering wheel or the steel dash. Next they'll show a side impact on an x frame car to prove that hybrids are safer Rolling Eyes

I saw footage of a crash test on a model T where they rolled it down a hill side over side. After about 5 full rolls the car looked almost mint. They said the driver would have died from being thrown around and out of the car though because it didn't have any seatbelts and the interior was all steel. It all comes down to who hits who at which angle and what speed. Formula one cars are designed to absorb energy in a crash with breakaway parts and crumple zones. More drivers are crippled or killed in those cars then in Nascar which designes cars as rigid and stiff as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:27 pm

I'm with doug, I been a fireman for 20 years, we had the worst section of road for accidents for 3 years according to DMV. I've seen so much carnage, the newer cars and the trucks are the ones that stand up the best. God just thinking about makes me not want to drive tonight.
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:20 pm

I'd like to see the new Malibu hit a 74 Impala in the same way. Laughing Totally different animal with collapsible steering column, shock bumpers, shoulder belts, door beams, padded interior with no protruding switchgear, and totally different results I would believe. I even feel very safe in the '93. Small vehicles make me uneasy.

My old green Impala was a Corolla magnet. One hit it when my dad was driving, nothing happened to the Impala. Another time I was going to get pizza with my father, a girl in a Corolla pulled out of a Stop and Shop into the front side of my car as I passed her at about 30MPH (she had to have been on drugs, she saw me coming for about 10 seconds before that and didn't try to pull across until I was right up on her car), even though I tried to avoid her and crossed the center line to get away. The Impala's huge 5 MPH bumper ate the front of her car off and spun it around in a circle. We didn't even slide on the seat, it was ridiculous. My car had a cracked blinker lens. I would almost call it fun, but accidents are never fun when you deal with insurance companies (it was obviously her fault).

On another occasion, my dad was rear-ended by a tractor trailer while driving a 1980 Coupe Deville. It pushed him into another car. He got a back injury, and the car was totaled, but still drove. He was told he'd have been killed if he had an Escort or something else smaller.

It's hard to deny the effect mass produces in an accident. But overall, newer cars are a huge amount safer over even 20 years ago. I'd just prefer a bigger new car over a small one...and one with a lower center of gravity.
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:34 pm

http://vimeo.com/1553230

The footage in this video of the crash test was made decades later on when one of the cars was found in rough shape...bags still worked!
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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:31 am

IMPALADAKID wrote:
I have even seen video of the Smart Car in a 35mph crash, and the passenger compartment whent untouched for the most part.

Just dont get into an accident in on at highway speed:

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PostSubject: Re: So do you feel safe in a crash?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:55 pm

Wow. I can't believe they destroyed that poor old 59!!!!! Sad

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