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PostSubject: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:28 pm

Inside the left wheel well the rust is worse than I thought, its maybe a 2''x5'' patch that gets smaller as it gets closer to the tailgate. Im worried about sanding right thru the rust and making it a hole. It feels pretty soft. Anything I can do before it becomes a hole?
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:33 pm

That doesn't sound like too bad of a repair. Where it is in the wheel well it doesn't involve finish paint, you can do the repair.

Remove the panels in the cargo area on that side. Locate the soft spot, cut it out. Replace with a new piece of sheet metal. Pop rivet the patch in place, seal the seems and undercoat. Done!! That is a common area that rusts. I have had two cars that have had the same problem, one of them was a three year old Caddy with 36K.

Someone else may pop in with another idea, but it is an easy fix.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:38 pm

silverfox103 wrote:
That doesn't sound like too bad of a repair. Where it is in the wheel well it doesn't involve finish paint, you can do the repair.

Remove the panels in the cargo area on that side. Locate the soft spot, cut it out. Replace with a new piece of sheet metal. Pop rivet the patch in place, seal the seems and undercoat. Done!! That is a common area that rusts. I have had two cars that have had the same problem, one of them was a three year old Caddy with 36K.

Someone else may pop in with another idea, but it is an easy fix.

Tom C.

It's in the front of the wheel wheel, directly behind the tire. (does that make sense?) I'll post a picture tomorrow.... I saw someone mention POR15 here, is it too far gone to help? It's starting to show on the outside and id like to clean it up and paint it to match...

Here's a quick photoshop I did... rust is in the red circled area:

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:09 pm

por-15 does not work you are going to have to cut all the rust out
and weld new steel in
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:19 pm

mean ss wrote:
por-15 does not work you are going to have to cut all the rust out
and weld new steel in

Thats... what I was afraid of. Crap...
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:23 pm

Common spot for Chevy wagons, beyond my expertise. I would probably bring it to an auto body shop and have it fixed, but there are plenty of guys who have fixed that spot, Bill M. for one (IMPALADAKID). I will let them chime in. If it's soft, I think you will have to cut it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:29 pm

silverfox103 wrote:
Common spot for Chevy wagons, beyond my expertise. I would probably bring it to an auto body shop and have it fixed, but there are plenty of guys who have fixed that spot, Bill M. for one (IMPALADAKID). I will let them chime in. If it's soft, I think you will have to cut it out.

Tom C.

Well, my father knows a fair bit about body work, but I'm wondering if this is an "at home" project, or if this can be saved. I just bought the car, im not keen on loosing it to rot already....
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:44 pm

Common spot for Chevy wagons, beyond my expertise. I would probably bring it to an auto body shop and have it fixed, but there are plenty of guys who have fixed that spot, Bill M. for one (IMPALADAKID). I will let them chime in. If it's soft, I think you will have to cut it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:44 pm

Common spot for Chevy wagons, beyond my expertise. I would probably bring it to an auto body shop and have it fixed, but there are plenty of guys who have fixed that spot, Bill M. for one (IMPALADAKID). I will let them chime in. If it's soft, I think you will have to cut it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:46 pm

start with a small sand blaster and cut out what parts of it dont clean up,it's only going to get worse if you don't
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:56 pm

mean ss wrote:
start with a small sand blaster and cut out what parts of it dont clean up,it's only going to get worse if you don't

Don't own a sand baster. Are those rentable?
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:04 pm

a cheap one like this will do everything you need

http://www.tooltopia.com/unitec-007b.aspx?utm_source=nextag&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=GOJ007B&utm_campaign=nextag_r1
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:15 pm

mean ss wrote:
a cheap one like this will do everything you need

http://www.tooltopia.com/unitec-007b.aspx?utm_source=nextag&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=GOJ007B&utm_campaign=nextag_r1

I'll have to see if someone I know has one... Ugh, this is depressing. I wish it were just surface rust like I thought it was before Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:07 am

I have a sandblaster, a welder, cutting tools, and some idea of what i am doing. But if you and your dad can do it, the driveway is a good place. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:45 am

IMPALADAKID wrote:
I have a sandblaster, a welder, cutting tools, and some idea of what i am doing. But if you and your dad can do it, the driveway is a good place. Very Happy

Going to the mod day? Laughing All we have for body repair stuff here is a can of bondo, a wire wheel for a drill and some sand paper Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:32 am

One thing I just thought of, does all this patching go on the inside of the wheel well or outside? as I'd really like to be able to paint it so its invisible. Tell me if im wrong, but if I patch the inside of the wheel well I can bondo or fiberglass the outside, sand it so its even and then paint right?
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:01 am

normally you would place the patch flush and weld all the way around but you can
make the patch bigger and put it inside and just tack it,you will get less warping
of the metal doing it that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:04 am

mean ss wrote:
but you can
make the patch bigger and put it inside and just tack it,you will get less warping
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I kinda like that idea, to me, makes it seem less noticeable and will clean up nicer. Not trying to make the car look like one for Barrett Jackson, but still want a nice looking Caprice.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:24 am

thats how hackers at body shops do it, because they can't weld What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Wagon Rust! GRRRR   Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:27 am

We'll if anyone at mod day has a portable welder. I'll bring the sheet metal and beer money cheers
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