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PostSubject: Setting up a rear end   Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:05 pm

Anyone here with the capabilitys to set up rear gears? I will soon have a set of 3.73s, and need help setting them up. I did this once to my old 351 powered race pinto. But that was 21 years ago.

I want to set them and forget them, not put them in and have problems.

Thank you in advance

Bill
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:22 pm

No one knows how to do this? Maybe I can find a video on youtube. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:50 pm

This is a pretty good article working on a 10-bolt from an 87 monte. Should be the same basic info for your rear.

gear install
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:54 pm

bammax wrote:
This is a pretty good article working on a 10-bolt from an 87 monte. Should be the same basic info for your rear.

gear install

Thanks man. cheers

But it looks like I will have to pay a pro to do it. I was hoping to find someone here who knows how to do it and pay them.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:15 pm

Read enough articles and you'll know how to do it too. Then just give it a try. What's the worst that could happen Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:29 pm

IMPALADAKID wrote:


I want to set them and forget them.


Maybe you should give ol' Ron a call?

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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:53 pm

I have helped with ALOT of rear end gear/posi installs as I worked in a speed shop for 4 years. The big thing is the shims. The dial indicator is a must. It's best to bring it to a shop to avoid any noises.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:40 pm

White93ltz wrote:
IMPALADAKID wrote:


I want to set them and forget them.


Maybe you should give ol' Ron a call?

Oh god, He does say that. But at 3am. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:45 pm

GasTT wrote:
I have helped with ALOT of rear end gear/posi installs as I worked in a speed shop for 4 years. The big thing is the shims. The dial indicator is a must. It's best to bring it to a shop to avoid any noises.
How much would/should I expect to pay for this service?
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:59 pm

IMPALADAKID wrote:
GasTT wrote:
I have helped with ALOT of rear end gear/posi installs as I worked in a speed shop for 4 years. The big thing is the shims. The dial indicator is a must. It's best to bring it to a shop to avoid any noises.
How much would/should I expect to pay for this service?

Figure somewhere between $200 and $400 to set it up.

I use a place in Windham that I've had pretty good luck with. I'll probably be getting my 4.10's done there, too. Unless of course, my current mechanic/exhaust guy/inspection dude can do it. He's in Hampstead.

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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:40 pm

i take it we're talking about setting up a different type of rear end

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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:38 pm

LOL she seems a bit more excited than he is
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:57 pm

maybe he's been there and didnt like what he seen....
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:28 pm

waynes91 wrote:
maybe he's been there and didnt like what he seen....
Maybe it is his bad place she plans to go. Suspect

Maybe I should move this to the cabaret section. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:39 pm

Of course they always make it look easy.
This step by step makes you want to do it
Who has the balls?????
http://www.keliente.com/gears.htm

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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:17 pm

That girl Kelly is a mod over on ls1tech....she knows her stuff!

I pulled the rear end out of my Camaro last weekend and am going to put in some 3.73's in place of the noisy Strange 4.11's. I had all the parts and just about all the tools, but had to get a puller for the carrier bearings and a pinion depth gauge. I'll probably start tackling it this weekend, so I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Bill, it you want to borrow the tools, I'd be happy to lend them to you when I'm done.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:21 pm

ss1 wrote:
That girl Kelly is a mod over on ls1tech....she knows her stuff!

I pulled the rear end out of my Camaro last weekend and am going to put in some 3.73's in place of the noisy Strange 4.11's. I had all the parts and just about all the tools, but had to get a puller for the carrier bearings and a pinion depth gauge. I'll probably start tackling it this weekend, so I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Bill, it you want to borrow the tools, I'd be happy to lend them to you when I'm done.
Thanks Chris
That would be great.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:31 pm

I'd offer to help do it too, but I wouldn't want to be responsible for a noisy rear end! I prefer to use myself as the guinea pig, and this is the first one I'll be doing. Heck, it can't be any worse than the way Strange set it up!

I think the only thing you'd really need is a shop press for the pinion bearing and carrier bearings if you want to do those. I'll have the rest of the tools tomorrow.

The only other thing that comes to mind is buy two pinion bearings and hone one out to use as a setup bearing when doing the pinion depth.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:12 pm

I read you don't need a press for the pinion bearing. You just put it in the oven for a bit and drop it on while it's still toasty. Don't know how well it works but it's a pretty common trick lately.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:26 am

The pinion bearing is ~.003" interference fit, so that trick may work! I've also seen somebody use a piece of 1-3/4" pipe and hammer it on. I didn't really like that method so I ended up buying a 12-ton press just to make sure the bearing is seated all the way.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:33 am

SooooOooOOOOOooOOOOOOooo.... Who's gonna help me do the 4.10's in my wagon then? Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:44 pm

Anyone? How about help with installing a trans-go shift kit into a transmission?
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:45 pm

is the tranny still in the car ?
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:13 pm

mean ss wrote:
is the tranny still in the car ?
Nope.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:01 am

IMPALADAKID wrote:
mean ss wrote:
is the tranny still in the car ?
Nope.

then it's easy, I can help tue- fri if you need it
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PostSubject: setting up a rear end   Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:40 am

lmk know bill and mean ss.what day. ill be down to see you guys and ive never met mean ss. plus ill have some media and other parts for billymac. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:06 am

So who is the club guy for rear-end rebuild/upgrades? I might be looking in the next couple months for someone to do seals and bearings on an old 8.5"
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:26 am

bammax wrote:
So who is the club guy for rear-end rebuild/upgrades? I might be looking in the next couple months for someone to do seals and bearings on an old 8.5"
Seals and bearings are easy. Pull cover, and brake drums or discs, remove bolt olding pin in carrier, pull pin, push axles inward to expose c-clip, pull c-clips, pull axles out, use seal puller to remove seals, use bearing puller to remove bearings, tap in new bearings, and seals, reinstall axles, reinstall c-clips and push axles outward to loc in place, reinstall pin and pin bolt, clean both gasket mating surfaces,wipe out any remaning fluid in diff. Spray mating surfaces with brake cleaner, and wipe, install fel-pro gasket and reinstall diff cover. Now if posi, squrt a full bottle of limited slip additive in it and then fill the rest of the way with gear oil til weeps out hole, and reinstall fill plug. Reinstall brakes and away you go.
Easy peasy lemon squeesy.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:23 pm

Except it also needs a new pinion seal. That one is the kicker.
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PostSubject: Re: Setting up a rear end   Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:01 am

bammax wrote:
Except it also needs a new pinion seal. That one is the kicker.
I have never done a pinion seal, but I would say that after everything is back together, you should be able to remove the drive shaft, and pinion yoke, and replace the seal. You would want the back wheels on ramps, and the parking brake set to keep the car from rolling while you take the nut off the pinion. And because of the shape of the pinion gear, I do not think you would have any fore and aft movement. You could leave the cover off to be on the safe side.
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